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diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000002.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000002.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..bb4c5935 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000002.html @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] What kind of game are you making?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:david.belius%40chello.se"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000004.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</H1> + <B>david.belius@chello.se</B> + <A HREF="mailto:david.belius%40chello.se" + TITLE="[Nel] What kind of game are you making?">david.belius@chello.se</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:19:05 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000004.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello. +I found your project on freshmeat and it looks very cool. +You say that you are commercially funded and that the game data does not +have to be free even though the code is free. +I assume this means you are making a game out of this. +What kind of game are you making? +How long have you been working on NeL? + +Best Regards, +David + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000004.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000003.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000003.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..89023153 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000003.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] problem about the bug report interface</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:nhognon%40noos.fr"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000004.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000005.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</H1> + <B>Nicolas Hognon</B> + <A HREF="mailto:nhognon%40noos.fr" + TITLE="[Nel] problem about the bug report interface">nhognon@noos.fr</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:42:07 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000004.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hy .... + +yesterday i've submited a little bug in the bug report +but i encounter a problem to report it. + +on the report bug page we must select the component associated +to the bug but under netscape communicator 4.76 under windows (2000) +the right part of the page is hidden +so i use internet explorer :(( +but i try this page under linux with netscape 4.75 i think and it work +fine .... + +that's all ... + + +-- + Nicolas Hognon (aka SilentBob) + home : <A HREF="mailto:cblt@cblt.org">cblt@cblt.org</A> / www.cblt.org + work : <A HREF="mailto:nicolash@next-url.com">nicolash@next-url.com</A> / www.next-url.com + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000004.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000004.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000004.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ba91c312 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000004.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] What kind of game are you making?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000002.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000003.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] What kind of game are you making?">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:16:39 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000002.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000003.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>According to <A HREF="mailto:david.belius@chello.se">david.belius@chello.se</A>: +><i> I found your project on freshmeat and it looks very cool. +</I> +Thanks for the attention. And the questions - I'm lazy, and couldn't +find anything to put in the FAQ yet, so your questions will serve as the +initial set :) + +><i> You say that you are commercially funded and that the game data does not +</I>><i> have to be free even though the code is free. +</I>><i> I assume this means you are making a game out of this. +</I> +A good assumption. Yes, we are making a game using that platform, or +we are making that platform for our game, depending on how you look at +it. + +><i> What kind of game are you making? +</I> +We are working on, what else, a MMORPG "whose details are yet to be +announced (blah blah)". Due to the marketing plans putting a gun on my +head, I'm not at a liberty to discuss the game content and so on :( + +We're trying to be as general as possible, but the emphasis is definitively +on multiplayer RPG. + +><i> How long have you been working on NeL? +</I> +It depends on how you look at it. We've been in pre-planning stages since +march 2000; looking at architecture options, development contraints, +potentials pre-existing bits, interesting algorithms, and so on. The +real, definitive coding has started in earnest early september, which +is why NeL is not at the stage where you can see anything right sexy +on your screen now; we're busy filling in the fundations of the library. + +With 9 full-time people on the programming staff, however, you can expect +things to move rather fast. We do have deadlines, which include having a +visible game skeleton within the next months, and the game proper going +beta in late 2001, early 2002. + +What else can I say. We do expect to provide some form of game data quickly, +because we don't expect everyone to suddendly turn into a professional +3D modeler and artist to fill in, so don't despair yet at lack of game data +(the data will reside in a separate module than the 'code' CVS module + available right now). + +Can't say what's the "demo data" will be, except it won't be our true +game data, will be chilly, and you can expect to meet some non-flying birds +all over the place :) + +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000002.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000003.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000005.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000005.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7fc4eab4 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000005.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] problem about the bug report interface</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:yan%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000003.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000006.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</H1> + <B>Yan Babilliot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:yan%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] problem about the bug report interface">yan@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>09 Nov 2000 12:46:40 -0200</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000003.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000006.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Hy .... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> yesterday i've submited a little bug in the bug report +</I>><i> but i encounter a problem to report it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> on the report bug page we must select the component associated +</I>><i> to the bug but under netscape communicator 4.76 under windows (2000) +</I>><i> the right part of the page is hidden +</I>><i> so i use internet explorer :(( +</I>><i> but i try this page under linux with netscape 4.75 i think and it work +</I>><i> fine .... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> that's all ... +</I>><i> +</I> +Thank for the bug-report. +You should now be able to report bugs with Netscape/Windows ;) + + + +-- + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000003.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000006.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000006.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000006.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ef8ca117 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000006.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:cary%40farriersoft.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000005.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000008.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</H1> + <B>Cary Farrier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:cary%40farriersoft.com" + TITLE="[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?">cary@farriersoft.com</A><BR> + <I>Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:50:21 -0800</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000008.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I just updated from the latest CVS snapshot, added r:\code\net\include +to the project settings, however when compiling matrix.cpp in VC++ 6.0 +(SP3) the compiler is complaining that 'max is not a member of std'. + +Any thoughts? + +-> Cary +-- + +Cary Farrier +Farrier Software, Inc. (303) 875-9148 fax/message +<A HREF="mailto:cary@farriersoft.com">cary@farriersoft.com</A> <<A HREF="http://www.farriersoft.com">http://www.farriersoft.com</A>> + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000008.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000007.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000007.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e4f3c544 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000007.html @@ -0,0 +1,156 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:stefan.nilsen%40telia.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000015.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000010.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</H1> + <B>Stefan Nilsen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:stefan.nilsen%40telia.com" + TITLE="[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...">stefan.nilsen@telia.com</A><BR> + <I>Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:43:58 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? 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Stop. +make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/stni/workproj/nel/code/nel/include' +make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 + + +</pre> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? 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It's a lot easier to manage +there. Use the mailing list if you can't access the WWW at all +for some reason (like being buried deep behind 4 firewalls that require +you to sign in blood to access the outside world). + +Bug reported to the developper in charge. +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000006.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000011.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000009.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000009.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..31d145c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000009.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] List settings changes</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000019.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000012.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] List settings changes</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] List settings changes">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:41:37 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000019.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? 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Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000019.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000012.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000010.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000010.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c2933e5c --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000010.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] How do i compile this beast? 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Detailed errata is available here: + <A HREF="http://www.dinkumware.com/">http://www.dinkumware.com/</A> + +Bryce + +On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Vincent Archer wrote: +><i> According to Cary Farrier: +</I>><i> > I just updated from the latest CVS snapshot, added r:\code\net\include +</I>><i> > to the project settings, however when compiling matrix.cpp in VC++ 6.0 +</I>><i> > (SP3) the compiler is complaining that 'max is not a member of std'. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that, strictly speaking, bug reports should go thru the web +</I>><i> interface rather than the mailing list. It's a lot easier to manage +</I>><i> there. Use the mailing list if you can't access the WWW at all +</I>><i> for some reason (like being buried deep behind 4 firewalls that require +</I>><i> you to sign in blood to access the outside world). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Bug reported to the developper in charge. +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +Bryce Harrington +bryce @ neptune.net + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000008.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000013.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000012.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000012.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c6973690 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000012.html @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] WorldForge</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:lejade%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000009.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000014.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] WorldForge</H1> + <B>Olivier Lejade</B> + <A HREF="mailto:lejade%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] WorldForge">lejade@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:29:31 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000009.html">[Nel] List settings changes</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000014.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#12">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#12">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#12">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#12">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Well, it seems like we have our first celebrity on the list ! ;) +The coordinator of the WorldForge project himself (<A HREF="http://www.worldforge.org">http://www.worldforge.org</A>). +Welcome Bryce ! So what do you think of NeL ? + + +</pre> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000009.html">[Nel] List settings changes</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000014.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#12">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#12">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#12">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#12">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000013.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000013.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..fde686a0 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000013.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:lecroart%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000011.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000015.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</H1> + <B>Vianney Lecroart</B> + <A HREF="mailto:lecroart%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?">lecroart@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:43:48 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000011.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#13">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#13">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#13">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#13">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> The VC++/STL min/max problem is pretty well known, and is a result of a +</I>><i> very buggy STL implementation in VC++, and some lawsuits. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Simple answer: Define NOMINMAX in your Build Settings +</I> +ok, this define disables the macro min & max, it's same behavior as doing +#undef min #undef max +but I search min in the VC include directory and subdirectory and there s +*no* min +definition in the STL (no template min) so we have to define our own min & +max +template function in our code... no very cool... + +><i> Longer answer: +</I>><i> +</I><A HREF="http://www.isis.ecs.soton.ac.uk/share/problems/fuzzyClouds/NetMet/netmet/doc">http://www.isis.ecs.soton.ac.uk/share/problems/fuzzyClouds/NetMet/netmet/doc</A> +s/stlhelp.txt +><i> +</I>><i> The STL that ships with Visual C++ was developed by Dinkumware, rather +</I>><i> than by Microsoft. Detailed errata is available here: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.dinkumware.com/">http://www.dinkumware.com/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Bryce +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Vincent Archer wrote: +</I>><i> > According to Cary Farrier: +</I>><i> > > I just updated from the latest CVS snapshot, added r:\code\net\include +</I>><i> > > to the project settings, however when compiling matrix.cpp in VC++ 6.0 +</I>><i> > > (SP3) the compiler is complaining that 'max is not a member of std'. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Note that, strictly speaking, bug reports should go thru the web +</I>><i> > interface rather than the mailing list. It's a lot easier to manage +</I>><i> > there. Use the mailing list if you can't access the WWW at all +</I>><i> > for some reason (like being buried deep behind 4 firewalls that require +</I>><i> > you to sign in blood to access the outside world). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Bug reported to the developper in charge. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Bryce Harrington +</I>><i> bryce @ neptune.net +</I>><i> +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Nel mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="mailto:Nel@nevrax.org">Nel@nevrax.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel</A> +</I> + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000011.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#13">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#13">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#13">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#13">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000014.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000014.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0e298068 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000014.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] WorldForge</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:thierry%40mallard.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000012.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000016.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] WorldForge</H1> + <B>Thierry Mallard</B> + <A HREF="mailto:thierry%40mallard.com" + TITLE="[Nel] WorldForge">thierry@mallard.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:39:36 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000012.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#14">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#14">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#14">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#14">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>--d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +Greetings to you all ... :-) + + +On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 11:29:31AM +0100, Olivier Lejade wrote: +><i> Well, it seems like we have our first celebrity on the list ! ;) +</I>><i> The coordinator of the WorldForge project himself (<A HREF="http://www.worldforge.=">http://www.worldforge.=</A> +</I>org). + +Whooo hooo :-) + +><i> Welcome Bryce ! So what do you think of NeL ? +</I> +Good question, I'm listening too .. + + Thierry Mallard, a.k.a Shaman on Worldforge.org ;-) + (who didn't do much on this) + + +--=20 +Thierry Mallard | =20 +GnuPG key on wwwkeys.pgp.net | +key 0xA3D021CB | +<A HREF="http://thierry.mallard.com">http://thierry.mallard.com</A> | =20 + +--d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Pour information voir <A HREF="http://www.gnupg.org">http://www.gnupg.org</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAjoL0GgACgkQGBtCB6PQIcs6PACgyR9Uzbymw/yEYYnbrhGLulAl +a88AoJxjE9nBMJkE1+yXHk2LjzTTEWXe +=hdVU +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND-- + + +</pre> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000012.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#14">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#14">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#14">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#14">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000015.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000015.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..95f27a17 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000015.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:bryce%40neptune.net"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000013.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000007.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</H1> + <B>Bryce Harrington</B> + <A HREF="mailto:bryce%40neptune.net" + TITLE="[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?">bryce@neptune.net</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:43:08 -0800 (PST)</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000013.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000007.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? 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My two preferred libs are wxWindows +(good for OS-matching widgets for editors and similar), or libuta (SDL +compatible and skinnable). Mozilla has another cross platform GUI lib +but I've not used it in its current incarnation so don't know whether +it's usable independently of Mozilla. + +FWIW, I always stick this boilerplate code in any file that uses STL +that I'd like to compile with MSVC 4.2: + +#ifdef _MSC_VER +// Fix broken STL implementation in MSVC 4.2 +// Include files (for MSVC) +#pragma warning(disable: 4786) // Kludge to get around bug in MSVC 4.2 +#pragma warning(disable: 4788) // See above +#endif + +I think you may be stuck including your own max/min template functions. +That's a pretty minor thing compared with some of the patches you may +have to make to work around some of the other issues (especially if you +want to support pre-6.0 MSVC). + +Ultimately, you're going to want to trim down use of STL anyway, so you +can recover the performance loss. We still use STL at WorldForge, for +instance, but some simple tests show that hand coded, non-templated map +and list classes provide some modest performance gains, and some day +when we're down to squeezing out the last bits of performance, we'll +probably be pulling STL out ourselves. + +Bryce + +On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Vianney Lecroart wrote: + +><i> > The VC++/STL min/max problem is pretty well known, and is a result of a +</I>><i> > very buggy STL implementation in VC++, and some lawsuits. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Simple answer: Define NOMINMAX in your Build Settings +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ok, this define disables the macro min & max, it's same behavior as doing +</I>><i> #undef min #undef max +</I>><i> but I search min in the VC include directory and subdirectory and there s +</I>><i> *no* min +</I>><i> definition in the STL (no template min) so we have to define our own min & +</I>><i> max +</I>><i> template function in our code... no very cool... +</I> +-- +Bryce Harrington +bryce @ neptune.net + + +</pre> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000013.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000007.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? 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So what do you think of NeL ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Good question, I'm listening too .. +</I> +Ah, well at this point I'm just being a pair of ears. I'm hoping to get +a pointer to something describing what the group's plan is or some feel +for the "big picture". + +(I've seen a depressingly large number of well-meaning groups trying the +combined commercial and open source approach for game development and +crash and burn spectacularly, so I figure either I'll learn something or +get to roast a marshmallow or two. *wink*) + +-- +Bryce Harrington +bryce @ neptune.net + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000014.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000017.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#16">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#16">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#16">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#16">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000017.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000017.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..17a529b7 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000017.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] WorldForge</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:olivier%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000016.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000018.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] WorldForge</H1> + <B>Olivier Lejade</B> + <A HREF="mailto:olivier%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] WorldForge">olivier@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:18:09 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! 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So what do you think of NeL ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Good question, I'm listening too .. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i>(I've seen a depressingly large number of well-meaning groups trying the +</I>><i>combined commercial and open source approach for game development and +</I>><i>crash and burn spectacularly, so I figure either I'll learn something or +</I>><i>get to roast a marshmallow or two. *wink*) +</I>><i> +</I>><i>-- +</I>><i>Bryce Harrington +</I>><i>bryce @ neptune.net +</I>><i> +</I>><i>_______________________________________________ +</I>><i>Nel mailing list +</I>><i><A HREF="mailto:Nel@nevrax.org">Nel@nevrax.org</A> +</I>><i><A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel</A> +</I> + +-- +"Minds are like parachutes. They work best when open." + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#17">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#17">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#17">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#17">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000018.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000018.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5291c9ed --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000018.html @@ -0,0 +1,153 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Greetings! 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My goal a few years back was to help create a free, +massively multiplayer online RPG system, one that I could enjoy myself and +that others could build from to make their own persistant online worlds. +And a commercial effort such as Nevrax could be a powerful force in helping +to achieve such a goal. + + Most opensource projects that start up have caught my eye, the first +being the Ultima online emulator scene which I was a part of for a long +time, coding admin tools, NPC ai, network code, etc. Whatever seemed the +most challenging task. I got soon fed up with having to deal with the idea +that all the hard work might not even turn out to be legal, and all the +problems that OSI provided for the emu scene I didnt care for. So I then +came across Worldforge, and that is where I am. Finally a totally free +opensource project that met, if not exceeded my own standards for an online +gaming system. + + So I took on the responsibility of developer XClient, a 3d client. The +root of its homepage is here, if anyone's interested: +<A HREF="http://www.worldforge.org/website/clients/xclient/">http://www.worldforge.org/website/clients/xclient/</A> + + Some shots of its recent developments (a terrain engine) are here: +<A HREF="http://www.worldforge.org/images/screenshots/terrain1.jpg">http://www.worldforge.org/images/screenshots/terrain1.jpg</A> +<A HREF="http://www.worldforge.org/images/screenshots/terrain2.jpg">http://www.worldforge.org/images/screenshots/terrain2.jpg</A> + (Its very early in development) + + Some old out of date client shots: +<A HREF="http://www.worldforge.org/website/clients/xclient/screenshots/">http://www.worldforge.org/website/clients/xclient/screenshots/</A> + + And lastly, a goals paper that I've recently written to illustrate what +the goals are in XClient development. This one I recommend reading above +the others. +<A HREF="http://www.worldforge.org/website/clients/xclient/developer/goals">http://www.worldforge.org/website/clients/xclient/developer/goals</A> + + I've also created a Map editor (XEdit) a UDP networking library based +off of the GPLd quake code (XUDP) and a simple test server (XServer). All +of this and XClient are in Worldforge cvs for those interested. If there +are questions about any of these things, please ask! + + Anyhow, yes there is a point to all this. It seems that a lot of +Worldforge's goals and development are in tandem with Nevrax's. So, I +thought it would be worth it to see 1) how compatible our projects are and +2) if we might be able to help each other out in any form, whether it be +artwork, code, or knowledge. 3) how much interest, if any, there is in +sharing efforts. + + So if I could ask a few questions. I tried finding out some information +through the website, but some questions remain: + +1) I understand that Nel will be a library to create games, but is this +project also developing a specific game that uses the library? If so what +details of it are known? As far as ruleset... gameplay... + +2) What is the development strategy? For example Worldforge will be +developing several smaller diverse games in succession (Acorn, Mason... etc. +etc.) until we reach the final goal, entitled 'BelchFire'. Will you guys be +doing a similar thing? + +3) What features/goals are there for the 3d engine? What's being targeted +(high end/low end hardware)? What rendering APIs? Software mode? + +4) I get this question a lot :-) Why develop a 3d engine from scratch? Why +not use/build from an existing engine, such as Crystal Space? + +5) What are the capabilities of the current codebase? + +6) Is development open to outside influence? Or are you following an +internal-only plan, and just opensourcing the results? + +7) Was there knowledge of Worldforge when this project was started? And if +so, why was it deemed necessary to start another, independant effort with +the same goals? + +8) Would it be possible to get a brief description of what Nevrax will use +in the following areas: + - Protocol (UDP? TCP/IP?) + - Mapfile format (Custom? XML? Binary? Database-Driven?) + - Mapfile editors (What existing tools will be used, if +any?) + - Model format(s) + - Texture format(s) + +9) How the heck do you guys manage to pay a full development team off of +free software? :-) + + + Thats about all I have for now. I'm sure more will come up in the +future. You might want to put a few of those in the FAQ, I've noticed its +in need of some fulfilling... and other people may have similair questions. + + Anyhow, thanks in advance, and Congratulations and Good Luck in your +efforts. Its a challenging and rewarding goal that we are working towards. +I look forward to exchanging thoughts and ideas in the near future! + +- Sal +<A HREF="mailto:sferro@wojo.com">sferro@wojo.com</A> + + + + + + +</pre> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000017.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000021.html">[Nel] Greetings! 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Empty FAQ...</H1> + <B>Stefan Nilsen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:stefan.nilsen%40telia.com" + TITLE="[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...">stefan.nilsen@telia.com</A><BR> + <I>Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:55:37 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000009.html">[Nel] List settings changes</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#19">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#19">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#19">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#19">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> At the moment the library is compiling only on Visual C++ :-( +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We are currently working on this problem, it sould be fix soon. +</I> +Ok, that explains it. Maybe I'm not stupid after all... :-) + + +</pre> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? 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And some questions / comments</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:lejade%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000018.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000022.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</H1> + <B>Olivier Lejade</B> + <A HREF="mailto:lejade%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments">lejade@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:58:30 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000022.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#21">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#21">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#21">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#21">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi Sal, + +My name is Olivier Lejade, I am Nevrax's CEO. I won't be intervening too +much on this list since we really would like to keep things technically +oriented, but since there seems to be so a lot of questions, I figured it +would be a good idea to answer some of them here so that they can go in the +FAQ. +I'll leave the technically oriented ones to the Code Team though. + +At 04:18 PM 11/11/00 -0500, you wrote: +><i>I am also a Worldforge developer, like Bryce. Though not nearly as +</I>><i>famous ;-) +</I> +Or so you think... ;) + +><i>And a commercial effort such as Nevrax could be a powerful force in helping +</I>><i>to achieve such a goal. +</I> +Thanks for the attention. +We hope and believe so too. + +><i>So I then +</I>><i>came across Worldforge, and that is where I am. Finally a totally free +</I>><i>opensource project that met, if not exceeded my own standards for an online +</I>><i>gaming system. +</I> +Yes, WorldForge is a very impressive project with a very, very large scope. +We are all admirative of your capacity to handle such a large and diverse +community. Managing a team of artists over the internet is especially +daunting and WF has accomplished an incredible feat in this area. +As Bryce kindly reminded me, code is cheap compared to Art... + +Here at Nevrax, we do not intend to have such a large range of activity. We +are concentrating on a 3D client (no 2D, text, etc) and we are doing all +the artwork/game design internally. +Nevrax.org will focus on fostering a "technical" community. + +><i>1) how compatible our projects are +</I> +I'll let the coders answer on the technical aspect. However, on a more +philosophical point of vue, I'd say our project are very compatible, +siblings really, since they are both GPL. + +><i>1) I understand that Nel will be a library to create games, but is this +</I>><i>project also developing a specific game that uses the library? +</I> +Yes. we are currently developing a yet unannounced commercial MMORPG. + +><i>If so what +</I>><i>details of it are known? As far as ruleset... gameplay... +</I> +At this time, I'm sorry to say we cannot disclose any information +concerning game design / artwork. However things are bound to change as we +go along, and some information will start trickling out in the coming months. + +><i>2) What is the development strategy? For example Worldforge will be +</I>><i>developing several smaller diverse games in succession (Acorn, Mason... etc. +</I>><i>etc.) until we reach the final goal, entitled 'BelchFire'. Will you guys be +</I>><i>doing a similar thing? +</I> +Not in the sense of WF (i.e lots of intermediary games). We are working on +a single game. However, we do have a number of milestones. Also by the end +of the year, we will be disclosing a "sample world" under an open content +license for the community to kick around and have fun with. But this will +have nothing to do with our final game. + +><i>4) I get this question a lot :-) Why develop a 3d engine from scratch? Why +</I>><i>not use/build from an existing engine, such as Crystal Space? +</I> +We checked out CS of course as well as many others, and while it is a very +nice engine, it did not seem to fit our particular needs. + +><i>6) Is development open to outside influence? Or are you following an +</I>><i>internal-only plan, and just opensourcing the results? +</I> +Well, we are following an internal plan and Freeing the resulting software, +however we are very open to outside influence on technical aspects. And +while we concentrate on our priorities, we will integrate any worthwhile +functionnality. + +On the game content side though, we are keeping things to ourselves for now. +Expect to be really, really suprised though... :) + +><i>7) Was there knowledge of Worldforge when this project was started? And if +</I>><i>so, why was it deemed necessary to start another, independant effort with +</I>><i>the same goals? +</I> +Yes, we knew of WF (actually, since the time it was called Altima !). +We took some time to consider joining the effort, however we felt there was +a number of reasons for not doing so. I'll give you some of them : + +- We wanted to keep a tight focus on the game we are doing and did not want +to be hindered in political struggles to get the code where we needed. We +felt the WF community might ressent us steering in directions that they +would not care for. We have a tight schedule : we want the game out in 2002. +Which means we could'nt spare to much time arguing about it. + +- We have different goals : we are a commercial entity. We don't have the +educational/hobbyist approach of WF. Nevrax has a complete team of seasoned +professionals not only at the programming level, but also on the design / +3D artwork / concept side working every day towards one goal : getting the +game out. + +- We have a highly original world which poses a great number of +constraints. We felt we would be in a better position to adress them by +leading our own effort. + +That said, I must emphasize that we do not see ourselves as "competing" +with WF. We are simply two different projects, taking two different +approach at building a Free Software system for MMORPGs. Diversity is A +Good Thing. +I wish WF will succeed and I hope there will be as much cooperation between +the two projects as possible. + +><i>9) How the heck do you guys manage to pay a full development team off of +</I>><i>free software? :-) +</I> +Ah ha ! :) + +Free Software doesn't mean free content or free service. +While our software is Free, we retain property of our game data. And to +access our servers in order to play our game, users will be asked to pay a +monthly fee just like with the other commercial games. + +Bottom line is : Free Software and commercial MMORPGs are a perfect match. +And we believe we have everything to gain and nothing to loose by opening +our source code. + +I hope this clarifies things a little even though I'm sure it will raise +even more questions ! + +Thanks for your encouragments, + +Olivier + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000022.html">[Nel] Greetings! 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And some questions / comments">sferro@wojo.com</A><BR> + <I>Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:34:56 -0500</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000021.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000023.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#22">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#22">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#22">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#22">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Hi Sal, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My name is Olivier Lejade, I am Nevrax's CEO. I won't be intervening too +</I>><i> much on this list since we really would like to keep things technically +</I>><i> oriented, but since there seems to be so a lot of questions, I figured it +</I>><i> would be a good idea to answer some of them here so that they can go in +</I>the +><i> FAQ. +</I>><i> I'll leave the technically oriented ones to the Code Team though. +</I> + Thank you for taking the time to respond Olivier, this clears up a lot +of questions! + +><i> Managing a team of artists over the internet is especially +</I>><i> daunting and WF has accomplished an incredible feat in this area. +</I>><i> As Bryce kindly reminded me, code is cheap compared to Art... +</I> + I very much agree here. In my experience I've discovered that media is +very hard to come by. Talented artists don't like to work for free, and who +can blame them, a lot of the industry's tools are expensive and take a lot +of effort and time to learn. I think this is one of the biggest obstacles +in free game software development, the lack of good, free media. If Nevrax +is able to help out in this area, the opensource commmunity, Worldforge +included, would be very grateful... + +[ ... ] +><i> Well, we are following an internal plan and Freeing the resulting +</I>software, +><i> however we are very open to outside influence on technical aspects. And +</I>><i> while we concentrate on our priorities, we will integrate any worthwhile +</I>><i> functionnality. +</I>[ ... ] + + I understand your intentions. With openness in development comes +conflict in views on many issues. As a project under a tight schedule, +resolving all issues in the open might not be the most efficient approach +timewise. + + If there still is any desire to collaborate on things such as client +engine design, I would be happy to. If XClient and the Nel client could be +made more compatible in any way, I think it would be worth the effort. If +similairity in protocol could be obtained, then our software could +communicate with each other. Likewise, if rendering architecture was +similair, we could collaborate on, and/or share pieces of code for the game +engines. Either way I think it could mean saving work and time for the both +of us... + + On the other hand, collaborating would logically take some effort, which +I understand Nevrax may or may not have the time for. It still might be +worth considering, at any rate. + +><i> Bottom line is : Free Software and commercial MMORPGs are a perfect match. +</I>><i> And we believe we have everything to gain and nothing to loose by opening +</I>><i> our source code. +</I> + Here I very much agree, also! + +><i> I hope this clarifies things a little even though I'm sure it will raise +</I>><i> even more questions ! +</I> + Thanks again! And I await the answers to the other, more technical +questions. ;-) + +- Sal + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000021.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000023.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#22">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#22">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#22">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#22">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000023.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000023.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a729cb58 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000023.html @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Greetings! 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Software mode? +</I> +you can take a look on the nel whitepaper, it explains (briefly) all +features +of the 3d engine (<A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/docs/doxygen/nel/general.html">http://www.nevrax.org/docs/doxygen/nel/general.html</A>) +that we plan to develop. + +><i> 5) What are the capabilities of the current codebase? +</I> +hum... good question :-) today, the code is not able to do lot of things but +it'll change in few weeks. the misc component contains lot of really cool +tools like serializable system, input events system, internationalization, +math classes, etc... +there's only the skeleton of the 3d engine but, low level layers start to +work +and it'll display polygons in few days :) the low interface font manager is +ready +to display text and we work hardly on tools for the graphics team (but +theses +tools are still private cause of 3ds max sdk). +for the network components, all communication layers are available. +the service based class is ready too and will be extented in the futur. +few services run too, so you can compile our first service executables :) +we'll work on a "client" exectuable to explains how to use nel and +perhaps, display someting :) + +><i> 6) Is development open to outside influence? Or are you following an +</I>><i> internal-only plan, and just opensourcing the results? +</I> +We Want You! :-) of course we hope to work with the free software community. + +><i> 8) Would it be possible to get a brief description of what Nevrax will +</I>use +><i> in the following areas: +</I> +is the whitepaper not enough? ok , we ll add some stuffs on it :) + +><i> - Protocol (UDP? TCP/IP?) +</I> +for now, we only manage TCP/IP and plan to use UDP only the visual effect +like +smooth dead reckoning (the standard dead reckoning will be in TCP/IP for +some +cheating reasons) + +><i> - Mapfile format (Custom? XML? Binary? Database-Driven?) +</I> +we use a generic streamable and serializable system so we don't have any +file format :-) +it's a really powerful system!!! and so easy to manage! + +><i> - Mapfile editors (What existing tools will be used, if +</I>><i> any?) +</I> +we use 3ds max only, and we create plugins for our needs. + +><i> - Model format(s) +</I> +same as mapfile :) + +><i> - Texture format(s) +</I> +we use .dds format for pre-compressed texture format (DXTC*) and +pre-computed mimap. +we also use .tga for normal texture/image :-) + +><i> 9) How the heck do you guys manage to pay a full development team off of +</I>><i> free software? :-) +</I> +we are paid, i can confirm :-) + +><i> Thats about all I have for now. I'm sure more will come up in the +</I>><i> future. You might want to put a few of those in the FAQ, I've noticed its +</I>><i> in need of some fulfilling... and other people may have similair +</I>questions. + +yes, we'll add these questions in the FAQ! + +><i> Anyhow, thanks in advance, and Congratulations and Good Luck in your +</I>><i> efforts. Its a challenging and rewarding goal that we are working +</I>towards. +><i> I look forward to exchanging thoughts and ideas in the near future! +</I> +thanks + +Vianney Lecroart +--- +lead programmer / nevrax.com +icq#: 6870415 +homepage: <A HREF="http://ace.planet-d.net">http://ace.planet-d.net</A> +www.geek.com: GCS/E d- s+++: a-- C+++$ UL++ P- L+++>+$ E+>- W++ N+ o? K- +w++$ O- M- V- PS- PE? Y PGP t 5? X+ R- tv++ b- DI D+ G e++ h+ r-- y? + + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000022.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000025.html">[Nel] Greetings! 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Software mode? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> you can take a look on the nel whitepaper, it explains (briefly) all +</I>><i> features +</I>><i> of the 3d engine (<A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/docs/doxygen/nel/general.html">http://www.nevrax.org/docs/doxygen/nel/general.html</A>) +</I>><i> that we plan to develop. +</I> + Thanks for your time in answering my questions. I took the time the +other day to read all the documentation, and look at the source code. I +must say, it is well structured, easy to understand, and well commented. +And its good to see that the code is being documented well at such an early +stage. Good work, and I hope it keeps it up like this! + +><i> few services run too, so you can compile our first service executables :) +</I>><i> we'll work on a "client" exectuable to explains how to use nel and +</I>><i> perhaps, display someting :) +</I> + A client executable would be nice, I'm interested in playing with all +this neat stuff! This would logically be needed for testing and developing +new features, also. + + Btw, I noticed that the OpenGL renderer is well abstracted, and it seems +to me that a Direct3D renderer would not be very hard to create. +Coincidentally I'm working on a new DirectX 8/d3d renderer for xclient. If +theres interest I could help create a Direct3D implementation of your +rendering interface in the future. Or is one already in progress? ( I have +nothing against OpenGL, its just that I have experience in d3d that might be +of help, and Direct3D performs well on my system. ) + +><i> [...] and we work hardly on tools for the graphics team (but +</I>><i> theses +</I>><i> tools are still private cause of 3ds max sdk). +</I> + This raises a question I've been pondering myself. I've also recently +created MAX plugins for xclient, for exporting skeletal animated characters +from character studio. Do you (or anyone) know offhand if the sources to +these are distributable? Or does the sdk licensing prohibit it? I wasn't +able to resolve this from the documention included. I know that the sdk +itself isn't distributable, but I had hoped that derivative works were +o.k... + +><i> > 6) Is development open to outside influence? Or are you following an +</I>><i> > internal-only plan, and just opensourcing the results? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We Want You! :-) of course we hope to work with the free software +</I>community. + + Thats great to hear. I (and I'm sure many others) would like to see +this operation become a success, and would like to help it do so. As is +evident with the existance of projects like Worldforge, one can see that a +GPLish mmorpg system is very desired by many people. I also think it would +be cool if Nevrax showed the world that Free Software works, even in the +commercial market... and maybe help encourage other companies to do the same +in the future. + +Thanks again for the info! +- Sal + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000023.html">[Nel] Greetings! 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This would logically be needed for testing and +</I>developing +><i> new features, also. +</I> +In a first time, this client will do nothing else than init the nel lib and +perhaps +display a text and a triangle :) be patient! + +><i> Btw, I noticed that the OpenGL renderer is well abstracted, and it +</I>seems +><i> to me that a Direct3D renderer would not be very hard to create. +</I>><i> Coincidentally I'm working on a new DirectX 8/d3d renderer for xclient. If +</I>><i> theres interest I could help create a Direct3D implementation of your +</I>><i> rendering interface in the future. Or is one already in progress? ( I +</I>have +><i> nothing against OpenGL, its just that I have experience in d3d that might +</I>be +><i> of help, and Direct3D performs well on my system. ) +</I> +Yeah!!! It was in our external todo list. We wrote a list containing all +things that +the free software community could do on nel and the dx driver is on it! :) +You 'only' have to rewrite the 3d layer1 ! ;) +In fact, the 3d driver layer (layer1) isn't really fixed for now so you +should wait the +end this month before write a dx version because the API may change. + +><i> This raises a question I've been pondering myself. I've also recently +</I>><i> created MAX plugins for xclient, for exporting skeletal animated +</I>characters +><i> from character studio. Do you (or anyone) know offhand if the sources to +</I>><i> these are distributable? Or does the sdk licensing prohibit it? I wasn't +</I>><i> able to resolve this from the documention included. I know that the sdk +</I>><i> itself isn't distributable, but I had hoped that derivative works were +</I>><i> o.k... +</I> +I'm not able to answer, perhaps our 3d code lead could answer this. + +Best regards, + +Vianney Lecroart +--- +lead programmer / nevrax.com +icq#: 6870415 +homepage: <A HREF="http://ace.planet-d.net">http://ace.planet-d.net</A> +www.geek.com: GCS/E d- s+++: a-- C+++$ UL++ P- L+++>+$ E+>- W++ N+ o? K- +w++$ O- M- V- PS- PE? Y PGP t 5? X+ R- tv++ b- DI D+ G e++ h+ r-- y? + + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000025.html">[Nel] Greetings! 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+</I> +Soon ... ;-) + +You should be able to get Nel to compile on Linux in the following days. + + +><i> This is not a problem for me to create one by myself, by I'm +</I>><i> afraid it's not a very good idea, since I lack the knowledge of +</I>><i> internal dependencies and too lazy to reboot my PC in windows mode with +</I>><i> VC++ installed ;)) +</I> +I see very well what you mean ... :-) + + +><i> Wish you good luck +</I> +Thanks a lot. + + +Cedric. + + +</pre> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000024.html">[Nel] Linux build</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000029.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#28">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#28">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#28">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#28">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000029.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000029.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d12aef71 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000029.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Flexibility</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:david.belius%40chello.se"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000028.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000031.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Flexibility</H1> + <B>david.belius@chello.se</B> + <A HREF="mailto:david.belius%40chello.se" + TITLE="[Nel] Flexibility">david.belius@chello.se</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:59:58 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000028.html">[Nel] Linux build</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000031.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#29">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#29">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#29">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#29">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi + +I'm wondering how general the nel library will be. Will it be a *MMORPG* +engine or will it be more general so i can e.g. make a Massive Multiplay +Online Real Time Stragegy game(MMORTS =)? +Making a MMORTS warcraft type game is a dream of mine. =) + +/David + +PS. +I just found out that Vianney was in the Outcast team! How cool isnt +that? +DS. + + +</pre> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000028.html">[Nel] Linux build</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000031.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#29">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#29">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#29">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#29">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000030.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000030.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2adc1804 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000030.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] my last email :)</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:david.belius%40chello.se"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000044.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000020.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] my last email :)</H1> + <B>david.belius@chello.se</B> + <A HREF="mailto:david.belius%40chello.se" + TITLE="[Nel] my last email :)">david.belius@chello.se</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:05:08 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000020.html">[Nel] Some Linux patches</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#30">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#30">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#30">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#30">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Yeah!!! It was in our external todo list. We wrote a list containing all +</I>><i> things that +</I>><i> the free software community could do on nel and the dx driver is on it! :) +</I>><i> You 'only' have to rewrite the 3d layer1 ! ;) +</I>><i> In fact, the 3d driver layer (layer1) isn't really fixed for now so you +</I>><i> should wait the +</I>><i> end this month before write a dx version because the API may change. +</I> +Have you put this list online? +It would be nice to get some orders so I could start contributing =) + +/David + + +</pre> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000020.html">[Nel] Some Linux patches</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#30">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#30">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#30">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#30">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000031.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000031.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ca099c02 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000031.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Flexibility</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:ludovic.lievre%40chaman.net"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000029.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000032.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Flexibility</H1> + <B>Ludovic LIEVRE</B> + <A HREF="mailto:ludovic.lievre%40chaman.net" + TITLE="[Nel] Flexibility">ludovic.lievre@chaman.net</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:10:49 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000029.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000032.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#31">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#31">[ thread 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will be +</I>><i> released in 2001. +</I>><i> Sorry, we are not open source like Nel +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ludo +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Ludovic LIEVRE +</I>><i> Chaman Productions +</I>><i> mailto:<A HREF="mailto:ludo@chaman.net">ludo@chaman.net</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "Give me a museum and I'll fill it." +</I>><i> Pablo Picasso (1881-1973) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Nel mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="mailto:Nel@nevrax.org">Nel@nevrax.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel</A> +</I> + +</pre> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000031.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000033.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#32">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#32">[ thread ]</a> + <a 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+ <I>Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:43:16 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000027.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#35">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#35">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#35">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#35">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Dim Segebart wrote: + +><i> > Best regards, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Vianney Lecroart +</I>><i> > --- +</I>><i> > lead programmer / nevrax.com +</I>><i> > homepage: <A HREF="http://ace.planet-d.net">http://ace.planet-d.net</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At least we know the name of game itself :)) +</I> +He he ... :)) +I wouldn't insist on revealing name of the game. I'm respecting +commercial nature of this project. Without it NeL wasn't be born at all +of was not available under GPL +Hope, I didn't destroy you plans too mach ... )) + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000027.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#35">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#35">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#35">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#35">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000036.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000036.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ab0498ec --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000036.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:zager%40teleaction.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000035.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000037.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</H1> + <B>Dim Segebart</B> + <A HREF="mailto:zager%40teleaction.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL">zager@teleaction.com</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:34:09 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000035.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#36">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#36">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#36">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#36">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ok, after browsing game projects which mentioned on +<A HREF="http://ace.planet-d.net">http://ace.planet-d.net</A> I come to conclusion +what your new game will be really MASSIVELY multi-user with _very_ +detailed world(s) running in your +universe. So, I just thinking about possibility of linking worlds, which +is NeL based, similar to WWW - +for example, when player passing the doors of some building on the +street (or any other type of portal, analog of <a href> in HTML) +he just enter the different world, which running on completely different +hardware. I'm sure, you already have such +portals in you project. But I'm afraid, this feature limited by the +nameSpace of single NeL server, am I right ? +I think what mechanism of linking between different worlds similar to +WWW will be a good starting point for +creating Internet2 (why not ? ;)) +What's about starting RFC for WCP (World Communicating Protocol) ? + + + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000035.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#36">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#36">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#36">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#36">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000037.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000037.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..c0149090 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000037.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:dan%40isvara.net"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000036.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000038.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</H1> + <B>Dan Ellis</B> + <A HREF="mailto:dan%40isvara.net" + TITLE="[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL">dan@isvara.net</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:52:01 +0000 (GMT)</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#37">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#37">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#37">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#37">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Dim Segebart wrote: + +><i> universe. So, I just thinking about possibility of linking worlds, which +</I>><i> is NeL based, similar to WWW - +</I>><i> for example, when player passing the doors of some building on the +</I>><i> street (or any other type of portal, analog of <a href> in HTML) +</I>><i> he just enter the different world, which running on completely different +</I>><i> hardware. I'm sure, you already have such +</I>><i> portals in you project. But I'm afraid, this feature limited by the +</I>><i> nameSpace of single NeL server, am I right ? +</I> +This is something the Afterscape Project will allow. It will be a very +distributed universe that will allow delegation of zones to other servers. + +-- +Dan Ellis <<A HREF="mailto:dan@isvara.net">dan@isvara.net</A>> + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#37">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#37">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#37">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#37">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000038.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000038.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7b9555ab --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000038.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:thierry%40mallard.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000037.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000039.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</H1> + <B>Thierry Mallard</B> + <A HREF="mailto:thierry%40mallard.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL">thierry@mallard.com</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:20:26 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#38">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#38">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#38">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#38">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>--PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 08:34:09PM +0100, Dim Segebart wrote: +><i> [...] So, I just thinking about possibility of linking worlds, which +</I>><i> is NeL based, similar to WWW - +</I> +This is something I though about in the Genesis project (yes I know, +not very original name ;-) a few years ago. The problems we found +were the consistency of the global universe, and the trust we could +have to any server. For example : who managed the characters ? who +can we trust for them ? There can be a time line synchronisation problem +too, although that seemed less important...=20 + +But definitly that could be a good idea to implement now ;-) + + + Shaman + +--=20 +Thierry Mallard | =20 +GnuPG key on wwwkeys.pgp.net | +key 0xA3D021CB | +<A HREF="http://thierry.mallard.com">http://thierry.mallard.com</A> | =20 + +--PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Pour information voir <A HREF="http://www.gnupg.org">http://www.gnupg.org</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAjoSVVoACgkQGBtCB6PQIcvBigCgxq5rFlp3v+hdSzp3pw+nFgWF +LZ0AoJOg37O2L9uTxXISsGf+E8XsZIn+ +=RzT/ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#38">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#38">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#38">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#38">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000039.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000039.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f76ffc30 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000039.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000038.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000042.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:27:27 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#39">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#39">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#39">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#39">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>According to Thierry Mallard: +><i> This is something I though about in the Genesis project (yes I know, +</I>><i> not very original name ;-) a few years ago. The problems we found +</I>><i> were the consistency of the global universe, and the trust we could +</I>><i> have to any server. For example : who managed the characters ? who +</I>><i> can we trust for them ? There can be a time line synchronisation problem +</I>><i> too, although that seemed less important... +</I> +In a very different world (and a closed system implementation), it's also +something Bioware's NeverWinterNights wants to achieve. Their model allows +servers (what they call modules, which is in fact a process running a +specific area - but you can have multiples instances concurrently running +on the same CPU) to link to each other. + +Of course, their model is simpler: all servers are guaranteed to run the +same software (it autoupdates over the Internet), the character formats are +well defined, and the characters are ultimately stored on a central database +(the NWN Vault) who enforces "plausibility" on the characters (a level 1 +cannot get to level 6 and 70,000 XP points in an hour of playtime; a level 3 +character cannot have a plate+2, a cloak of displacement and boots of speed, +and so on). + +And they do not want to inforce any universe continuity: each server admin +has to do it, by allowing other modules to link to yours or not. +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#39">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#39">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#39">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#39">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000040.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000040.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..2d2d9e3d --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000040.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000034.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000041.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:12:16 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000034.html">[Nel] Flexibility (oops)</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#40">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#40">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#40">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#40">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>One thing from previous questions that wasn't much developped upon. + +Networking. + +The original question was "do you use TCP or UDP for networking". My +initial impulse was to reply "we use RDP, of course" (for those who do not +know what RDP is, check /etc/protocols, number 27). But alas, Vianney beat +me to the answer, so I have to be truthful. + +The question is: what do you use networking for, and why does the question +on the use of TCP vs the use of UDP arises? + +Because, in most protocols design, this question never arises: one is clearly +superior to the other. Why is that the question stands for a MMOG? + +If you look at the information elements that have to be transmitted from a +client to the server and back, you see that they can be somehow separated +across two different categories: + +1) Long-lived elements of information +and +2) Short-lived elements of information + +You may also separate on a different axis + +1) Uncorrectable elements of information +and +2) Correctable elements of information + +Uncorrectable elements of information are elements whose omission render the +game state incompatible between client and server and require the transmission +of said element, while correctable information can be overriden by a different +game element. + +A few examples: + +- NPC X is dead: this is a long-lived/uncorrectable element +- critter C has N hp: this is a long-lived/correctable element +- critter C is at X/Y/Z facing direction D: this is short-lived/correctable +- I am casting spell C: this is a long-lived/uncorrectable element + +Note that I can't find an example of short-lived, yet uncorrectable element. +Any ideas? + +What do you face here? You face very different information elements. Some +MUST be there for the world to make sense. So you have to guarantee their +transmission: TCP makes sense. On the other hand, you have some that are +quickly obsolete, and do not matter when lost. For them the whole TCP +retransmission/guarantee of delivery is useless and a waste of ressources. + +So how do you design your protocol. You can take the short, easy route: +use TCP (and lose performance for your position updates - which are by far +the most numerous elements you get). You can take the long, hard route: +use UDP (and code redundancy for the elements you need to guarantee +transmission of, putting some badly made subset of TCP in it). + +Or you can take the smart route: use two protocol paths, one which carries +the correctable elements over UDP (since you don't care if you lose a % of +them), and one which carries the critical ones over TCP (which provides you +the service guarantee you need). + +One of the minor advantages of the dual-protocol path is that it allows you to +bypass firewalls that refuse to forward UDP: you fold back the UDP protocol +path into TCP. You start losing performance, but at least, you do have a +way of passing thru (don't forget to make your UDP packet protocols +compatible with TCP streaming). + +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000034.html">[Nel] Flexibility (oops)</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#40">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#40">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#40">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#40">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000041.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000041.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f77c77a7 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000041.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:sferro%40wojo.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000040.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000043.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</H1> + <B>Sal</B> + <A HREF="mailto:sferro%40wojo.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts">sferro@wojo.com</A><BR> + <I>Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:32:09 -0500</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000040.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#41">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#41">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#41">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#41">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> You can take the long, hard route: +</I>><i> use UDP (and code redundancy for the elements you need to guarantee +</I>><i> transmission of, putting some badly made subset of TCP in it). +</I> + I find it easier to put some simple checking into UDP than to manage two +sets of sockets for each client, one TCP and one UDP. Also the important +data that needs reliable transmission is usually rare.... like you said, +when someone casts a spell... and maybe chat text. Most data in a networked +game is usually skippable. I think this is why most games use simple UDP, +because of simplicity of implementation, and because there is so little data +that needs to be sent reliable, a less-than-efficient reliable stream is +o.k. The strength in TCP/IP comes mostly when sending large amounts of +data, since it makes compromises with packet acknowledgement over a period +of time to gain its efficiency. But for short bursts of data typical for a +MMOG it wouldn't perform significantly better. + +><i> Or you can take the smart route: use two protocol paths, one which carries +</I>><i> the correctable elements over UDP (since you don't care if you lose a % of +</I>><i> them), and one which carries the critical ones over TCP (which provides +</I>you +><i> the service guarantee you need). +</I> + This is one possible route... not a bad one either. There would not be +any sort of performance loss in comparison to a pure-UDP implementation, +since the operating system's TCP/IP implementation is probably more +efficient than the custom UDP one. + + I guess its a matter of preference, of the developers are willing to +code something that manages two sets of sockets int the clients and servers, +then go for it :-) + +><i> One of the minor advantages of the dual-protocol path is that it allows +</I>you to +><i> bypass firewalls that refuse to forward UDP: you fold back the UDP +</I>protocol +><i> path into TCP. You start losing performance, but at least, you do have a +</I>><i> way of passing thru (don't forget to make your UDP packet protocols +</I>><i> compatible with TCP streaming). +</I> + This is true. Then again, a most of today's networked games use UDP so, +the genre of people who would play a MMOG would probably have dealt with the +firewall issues before, and would expect to fix their config to accomodate a +new game. Of course thats a slight generalization... + +Just adding some more food to the bowl ;-) +-Sal + + +</pre> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000040.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#41">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#41">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#41">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#41">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000042.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000042.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a98bec57 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000042.html @@ -0,0 +1,50 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Problems ?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:zager%40teleaction.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000039.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000044.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Problems ?</H1> + <B>Dim Segebart</B> + <A HREF="mailto:zager%40teleaction.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Problems ?">zager@teleaction.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:12:02 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#42">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#42">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#42">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#42">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>What's wrong with this list ? +I didn't receive my last post, which have been posted three days ago ... +((( +And also no posts from other members. + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#42">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#42">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#42">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#42">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000043.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000043.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..78f3158a --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000043.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:lecroart%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000041.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000045.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</H1> + <B>Vianney Lecroart</B> + <A HREF="mailto:lecroart%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts">lecroart@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:56:10 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#43">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#43">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#43">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#43">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello, + +><i> I find it easier to put some simple checking into UDP than to manage +</I>two +><i> sets of sockets for each client, one TCP and one UDP. Also the important +</I>><i> data that needs reliable transmission is usually rare.... like you said, +</I>><i> when someone casts a spell... and maybe chat text. Most data in a +</I>networked +><i> game is usually skippable. I think this is why most games use simple +</I>UDP, +><i> because of simplicity of implementation, and because there is so little +</I>data +><i> that needs to be sent reliable, a less-than-efficient reliable stream is +</I>><i> o.k. The strength in TCP/IP comes mostly when sending large amounts of +</I>><i> data, since it makes compromises with packet acknowledgement over a period +</I>><i> of time to gain its efficiency. But for short bursts of data typical for a +</I>><i> MMOG it wouldn't perform significantly better. +</I> + +Oh really? I have not the same opinion. I think that 90% of information on a +game +are important and must be received if you don't want to have inconsistency +in the client side. the order of information are also very important. if you +receive +"you lost 5 hp" message before "you are attacked by XXX", it should be +totally +weird. I think that messages, in a role game, must be sorted and reliable +for +consistency and logical events. + +><i> This is true. Then again, a most of today's networked games use UDP +</I>so, + +be careful, there more than 1 category of network game. there are MMOG and +counter strike like game (with few tens of players). for the second one udp +is a +surely useful but for MMOG, I'm not sure that the most of them are in UDP +only. + +-vl + + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#43">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#43">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#43">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#43">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000044.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000044.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7f15c3c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000044.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Problems ?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000042.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000030.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Problems ?</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Problems ?">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:27:39 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000030.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#44">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#44">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#44">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#44">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>According to Dim Segebart: +><i> What's wrong with this list ? +</I>><i> I didn't receive my last post, which have been posted three days ago ... +</I>><i> ((( +</I>><i> And also no posts from other members. +</I> +That's a not a particularly weird one, because you're not listed as +a member of the list. I've looked at the logs, and didn't find a record +of your subscription confirmation. + +Please note that mailman doesn't let "third party subscriptions" for you; +when you subscribe from the on-line form, mailman sends a message to the +subscribed address asking for a confirmation, to avoid the syndrome of +"let's register Mr X to 10,000 lists to flood his mailbox" (and the less +bothersome 'let's put in a wrong and mispelled address'). Until you have +properly replied to that confirmation message (keep the subject, and cut all +the body), you will NOT receive messages from the list. + +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000030.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#44">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#44">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#44">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#44">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000045.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000045.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..1d436aa6 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000045.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:thierry%40mallard.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000043.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000049.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</H1> + <B>Thierry Mallard</B> + <A HREF="mailto:thierry%40mallard.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts">thierry@mallard.com</A><BR> + <I>Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:23:03 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#45">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#45">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#45">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#45">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>--n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 10:56:10AM +0100, Vianney Lecroart wrote: +><i> [ Networking ] +</I>><i> I think that 90% of information on a game are important and must be recei= +</I>ved +><i> if you don't want to have inconsistency in +</I>><i> the client side. the order of information are also very important. if you +</I>><i> receive +</I>><i> "you lost 5 hp" message before "you are attacked by XXX",=20 +</I> +Just two little remarks here : + +1/ the message should be more state-ish the action-ish here : + "you now have 37 HP" more than "you lost 5 HP" : one is skippable, the o= +ther + is not.=20 + +2/ the order is not necessary I think, but more the delay between them. The +network speed may compensate the apparent disorder : if there's only 13 ms +between the events you mentionned, the player may probably not notice. But = +if +that's 1.5 seconds, that's another problem ... ;-) + + + Shaman,=20 + [ still learning to write english ... ;-) ] + +--=20 +Thierry Mallard | =20 +GnuPG key on wwwkeys.pgp.net | +key 0xA3D021CB | +<A HREF="http://thierry.mallard.com">http://thierry.mallard.com</A> | =20 + +--n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Pour information voir <A HREF="http://www.gnupg.org">http://www.gnupg.org</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAjoWPGcACgkQGBtCB6PQIctC4wCdHeXHaiWu8TqEpUsryl+D/wH2 +Ha8An3O5buwRHRsPEP2lr5PL1Nc2lDEu +=xo0+ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#45">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#45">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#45">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#45">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000046.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000046.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..027edc28 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000046.html @@ -0,0 +1,188 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:thomas.wright1%40ntlworld.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000049.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000047.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</H1> + <B>Tom wright</B> + <A HREF="mailto:thomas.wright1%40ntlworld.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?">thomas.wright1@ntlworld.com</A><BR> + <I>Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:14:11 -0000</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#46">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#46">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#46">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#46">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. + +------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C05232.FD4788A0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +Hi all, + +I am quite interested in what your trying to do, having played about = +with the ideas for one of these for more years than I care to think = +about :-) + +I have some general questions I would like to ask who ever is in the = +know, feel free to ignore the 'sensitive' ones :-) + +1) Are you going to add to the FAQ how to build the stuff ? I am = +currently running on Win2k with VC6 ( though I have a linux box also to = +try this out on ) and it appears you have some paths coded to your = +environment and not within the project file, e.g. whatever\nel\include = +is missing. +It would be useful in the FAQ if it contained a list of any dependencies = +that the system also requires like the STL code. Yeah I know its in = +there :-) But it will save you answering the same question lots of time = +for those that don't look at the src + +2) Care to release at least a rough schedule on the website, so that = +people can see when bits and pieces of the jigsaw are going to be = +released ? + +3) Congrats on releasing the src early, that means we can start reading = +and learning now before we have 1000's of files to wade through. + +4) very interested to see talking about using python, having started = +playing with it a few months ago, it has alot going for it. Are you = +going to embed it and interface it to the API's available so that people = +can use it for developement within the system, or is it more an external = +glue language ? Could be very useful for rapid prototyping AI and NPC = +routines + +5) In your event dispatch system, how do you intent to get around the = +problem of 'event blizzards' on a busy system ? Having seen this problem = +in other systems that rely on events for inter-object comms, I am = +interested on how you are going to get around the problem, e.g. = +multi-threaded round robin dispatch, multiple dispatchers etc. + +Congrats on embrassing the open source idea for your server, and I look = +forward to messing around with the system and the source. + +Regards + +Tom + +------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C05232.FD4788A0 +Content-Type: text/html; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> +<HTML><HEAD> +<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = +http-equiv=3DContent-Type> +<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3103.1000" name=3DGENERATOR> +<STYLE></STYLE> +</HEAD> +<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am quite interested in what your = +trying to do,=20 +having played about with the ideas for one of these for more years than = +I care=20 +to think about :-)</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have some general questions I would = +like to ask=20 +who ever is in the know, feel free to ignore the 'sensitive' ones=20 +:<i>-)</FONT></DIV> +</I><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1)&nbsp; Are you going to add to the = +FAQ how to=20 +build&nbsp; the stuff ? I am currently running on Win2k with VC6 ( = +though I have=20 +a linux box also to try this out on ) and it appears you have some paths = +coded=20 +to your environment and not within the project file, e.g. = +whatever\nel\include=20 +is missing.</FONT></DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would be useful in the FAQ if it = +contained a=20 +list of any dependencies that the system also requires like the STL = +code. Yeah I=20 +know its in there :-)&nbsp; But it will save you answering the same = +question=20 +lots of time for those that don't look at the src</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2) Care to release at least a rough = +schedule on the=20 +website, so that people can see when bits and pieces of the jigsaw are = +going to=20 +be released ?</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3) Congrats on releasing the src early, = +that means=20 +we can start reading and learning now before we have 1000's of files to = +wade=20 +through.</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4) very interested to see talking about = +using=20 +python, having started playing with it a few months ago, it has alot = +going for=20 +it.&nbsp; Are you going to embed it and interface it to the API's = +available so=20 +that people can use it for developement within the system, or is it more = +an=20 +external glue language ? Could be very useful for rapid prototyping AI = +and NPC=20 +routines</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5) In your event dispatch system, how = +do you intent=20 +to get around the problem of 'event blizzards' on a busy system ? Having = +seen=20 +this problem in other systems that rely on events for inter-object = +comms, I am=20 +interested on how you are going to get around the problem, e.g. = +multi-threaded=20 +round robin dispatch, multiple dispatchers etc.</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Congrats on embrassing the open source = +idea for=20 +your server, and&nbsp;I look forward to messing around with the system = +and the=20 +source.</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> + +------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C05232.FD4788A0-- + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#46">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#46">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#46">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#46">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000047.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000047.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ba1a9fdb --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000047.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:chafik%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000046.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000048.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</H1> + <B>sameh chafik Pro</B> + <A HREF="mailto:chafik%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?">chafik@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:59:53 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#47">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#47">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#47">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#47">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. + +------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C052D8.A0E268E0 +Content-Type: text/plain; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +><i> 4) very interested to see talking about using python, having started = +</I>playing with it a few months ago, it has alot=20 +><i> going for it. Are you going to embed it and interface it to the API's = +</I>available so that people can use it for=20 +><i> developement within the system, or is it more an external glue = +</I>language ? Could be very useful for rapid prototyping > AI and NPC = +routines + +Hello,=20 +I'am Sameh Chafik and i am the lead AI programmer, I work with Pierre = +Portier and Gabriel Robert. At present we don't use Python, i begun to = +embed all class that we write but because we design a multi agents = +system, we decideded to write an script interpret for our agents = +platform. That dicision become because in open-source platform we did'nt = +find an embed language for prototyping agents and python is'nt adapt for = +doing that. + + +------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C052D8.A0E268E0 +Content-Type: text/html; + charset="iso-8859-1" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> +<HTML><HEAD> +<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = +charset=3Diso-8859-1"> +<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> +<STYLE></STYLE> +</HEAD> +<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; 4) very interested to see talking = +about using=20 +python, having started playing with it a few months ago, it has alot=20 +</FONT></DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; going for it.&nbsp; Are you going = +to embed it=20 +and interface it to the API's available so that people can use it for=20 +</FONT></DIV> +<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; developement within the system, or = +is it more=20 +an external glue language ? Could be very useful for rapid prototyping = +&gt;<i> AI=20 +</I>and NPC routines</FONT></DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> +<DIV> +<DIV>Hello, </DIV> +<DIV>I'am Sameh Chafik and i am the lead AI programmer, I work with = +Pierre=20 +Portier and Gabriel Robert. At present we don't use Python, i begun to = +embed all=20 +class that&nbsp;we write but because we design a multi agents system, we = + +decideded to write an script interpret for our agents platform. That = +dicision=20 +become because in open-source platform we did'nt find an = +embed&nbsp;language for=20 +prototyping agents and python is'nt adapt for doing that.</DIV> +<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> + +------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C052D8.A0E268E0-- + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#47">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#47">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#47">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#47">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000048.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000048.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ec552de9 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000048.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:lecroart%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000047.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000052.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</H1> + <B>Vianney Lecroart</B> + <A HREF="mailto:lecroart%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?">lecroart@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:12:40 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#48">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#48">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#48">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#48">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i>1) Are you going to add to the FAQ how to build the stuff ? I am +</I>currently running on Win2k with VC6 ( though I have a linux box also to try +this out >on ) and it appears you have some paths coded to your environment +and not within the project file, e.g. whatever\nel\include is missing. +><i>It would be useful in the FAQ if it contained a list of any dependencies +</I>that the system also requires like the STL code. Yeah I know its in there +:<i>-) But it >will save you answering the same question lots of time for +</I>those that don't look at the src + +I'm working on the Visual C++ INSTALL file that explains everything you have +to do to install and compile our project. It should be available in few +days. (The unix one should come too in few days). But we don't plan to add +it in the faq, we'll put it in the root directory. + +><i>3) Congrats on releasing the src early, that means we can start reading and +</I>learning now before we have 1000's of files to wade through. + +Thanks + +-Vianney Lecroart + + + +</pre> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#48">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#48">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#48">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#48">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000049.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000049.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..14e242db --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000049.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000045.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000046.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:03:35 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#49">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#49">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#49">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#49">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>According to Thierry Mallard: +><i> Just two little remarks here : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1/ the message should be more state-ish the action-ish here : +</I>><i> "you now have 37 HP" more than "you lost 5 HP" : one is skippable, the other +</I>><i> is not. +</I> +As a general rule, change of state messages are always what I termed +uncorrectable elements, while state information is, by definition, +correctable (because you can resend the same state information at any +time, "correcting" the error). + +Now, some information can be expressed in terms of either state or change +of state. The choice of the type of communication between server and client +must be individually chosen for most. + +An important point to keep in mind is that, for most state information +which we deliver thru UDP, you are perfectly allowed to lose some +information (since you expect it will be corrected in the near future), +but for any specific state, you must guarantee that at least some of the +updates are delivered properly. + +A good example is the "HP update" above. You may send "X now has 37 HP" +"X now has 33 HP", "X now has 30 HP", but at some point, you need to ensure +that the client (since we assume that the server is the one giving the state +update) gets at least one update. So, most of these updates would be sent +using UDP, but one out of N has to be sent using TCP to ensure guaranteed +delivery (or, more typically, one every N seconds). + +><i> 2/ the order is not necessary I think, but more the delay between them. The +</I>><i> network speed may compensate the apparent disorder : if there's only 13 ms +</I>><i> between the events you mentionned, the player may probably not notice. But if +</I>><i> that's 1.5 seconds, that's another problem ... ;-) +</I> +If you use two streams, you also need to guarantee an order between both. +It wouldn't do to receive "X has 35 HP" thru TCP and "X has 38 HP" thru UDP. +So all state update messages also need to carry out a timestamp so that, +when your client parses the "X has 35 HP" message because your network stack +delivered this first, he'll be able to ignore the "X has 38 HP" one which is +now obsolete. + +Oh, and I do agree. Using pure TCP frees you from the hassles of dealing +with all that... but you relinquish a lot of control of the lag, since you +cannot control how and when the information is retransmitted. +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#49">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#49">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#49">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#49">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000050.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000050.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e9862820 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000050.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:roybryant%40SEVENtwentyfour.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000053.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000051.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</H1> + <B>Roy Bryant</B> + <A HREF="mailto:roybryant%40SEVENtwentyfour.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org">roybryant@SEVENtwentyfour.com</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:09:37 -0500</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#50">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#50">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#50">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#50">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>There appears to be a problem on this page of your site. + + On your page <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/pipermail/nel/">http://www.nevrax.org/pipermail/nel/</A> + when you click on your link to +<A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/pipermail/nel/2000-October/subject.html">http://www.nevrax.org/pipermail/nel/2000-October/subject.html</A> + you get the error: Not found + +As recommended by the Robot Guidelines, this email is to explain our robot's +activities and to let you know about one of the broken links we encountered. +LinkWalker does not store or publish the content of your pages, but rather +uses the link information to update our map of the World Wide Web. + +Are these reports helpful? I'd love some feedback. If you prefer not to +receive these occasional error notices please let me know. + +Roy Bryant + + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + Roy Bryant, <A HREF="mailto:roybryant@seventwentyfour.com">roybryant@seventwentyfour.com</A> + President + SEVENtwentyfour Inc. ("Always watching the Web") + <A HREF="http://www.seventwentyfour.com">http://www.seventwentyfour.com</A> + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +</pre> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#50">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#50">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#50">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#50">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000051.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000051.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3fd1c76d --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000051.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000050.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000054.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:18:40 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#51">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#51">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#51">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#51">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>According to Roy Bryant: +><i> There appears to be a problem on this page of your site. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On your page <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/pipermail/nel/">http://www.nevrax.org/pipermail/nel/</A> +</I>><i> when you click on your link to +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/pipermail/nel/2000-October/subject.html">http://www.nevrax.org/pipermail/nel/2000-October/subject.html</A> +</I>><i> you get the error: Not found +</I> +Well, there are no october archives, since these archives held only +messages of the form "ok, ping, 1-2-3, anyone hear me?" and "do I +receive this?". + +I tried to remove all traces of the october activity, but Mailman seem +to have resurrected the links, even if the files themselves are not there, +nor any information to recreate them. + +Mailman is, well, "lacking" (to put it nicely) in the documentation and +man area. + +><i> Are these reports helpful? I'd love some feedback. If you prefer not to +</I>><i> receive these occasional error notices please let me know. +</I> +Most of these really are errors. That specific one is "known", and I +have yet to figure how to remove it - Mailman recreates the link when +a new message is received. + +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#51">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#51">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#51">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#51">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000052.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000052.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..806025f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000052.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Some questions about network implementation</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:zager%40teleaction.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000048.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000053.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</H1> + <B>Dim Segebart</B> + <A HREF="mailto:zager%40teleaction.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Some questions about network implementation">zager@teleaction.com</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:12:32 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#52">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#52">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#52">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#52">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello ! +Today I have found very interesting library from SGI +(<A HREF="http://oss.sgi.com/projects/state-threads/">http://oss.sgi.com/projects/state-threads/</A>) +It's based on Netscape Portable Runtime library (NSPR) +and amed on creating high perfomance network applications. +Look at documentation +(<A HREF="http://oss.sgi.com/projects/state-threads/docs/st.html">http://oss.sgi.com/projects/state-threads/docs/st.html</A>) +><i>From documentation: +</I> +It is contained in 8 source files as opposed to more than 400, but +provides all the +functionality that is needed to write efficient IAs on UNIX-like +platforms. + + NSPR State Threads + Lines of code ~150,000 ~3000 + + Dynamic library size +(debug version) + IRIX ~700 KB ~60 KB + Linux ~900 KB ~70 KB + +State Threads is an application library which provides a foundation for +writing Internet Applications. To summarize, it has the following +advantages: + + It allows the design of fast and highly scalable applications. An +application will scale well with both load and number of CPUs. + It greatly simplifies application programming and debugging +because, as a rule, no mutual exclusion locking is necessary and the +entire application is free to use static variables and non-reentrant +library functions. + +The library's main limitation: + All I/O operations on sockets must use the State Thread library's +I/O functions because only those functions perform thread scheduling and +prevent the application's + processes from blocking. + + +I'm just wonder, what is the implimenantion design of NeL server-side +according to the above document ? + + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#52">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#52">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#52">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#52">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000053.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000053.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7dad9869 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000053.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Some questions about network implementation</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:cado%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000052.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000050.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</H1> + <B>Olivier Cado</B> + <A HREF="mailto:cado%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Some questions about network implementation">cado@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:54:34 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#53">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#53">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#53">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#53">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello everybody ! + +Dim Segebart wrote: +><i> Today I have found very interesting library from SGI +</I>><i> (<A HREF="http://oss.sgi.com/projects/state-threads/">http://oss.sgi.com/projects/state-threads/</A>) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm just wonder, what is the implimenantion design of NeL server-side +</I>><i> according to the above document ? +</I> +During the pre-production we studied various libraries, from the +smallest to the biggest (such as ACE, +<A HREF="http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html">http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html</A> ). We didn't find the one of +our dreams :-) + +At the moment we have implemented a simple networking system to work +with our prototype that is coming soon. + +Thank you for your suggestion. We will study this library in detail. + +Regards, +Olivier +-- +Olivier Cado ICQ: 67756413 +NEVRAX France <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.com">http://www.nevrax.com</A> - <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org">http://www.nevrax.org</A> + +</pre> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#53">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#53">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#53">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#53">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000054.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000054.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a7f281ed --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000054.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:valignat%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000051.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000060.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</H1> + <B>Valignat Cedric</B> + <A HREF="mailto:valignat%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation">valignat@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:19:35 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000060.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#54">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#54">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#54">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#54">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello, + +The Nevrax team is please to announce, that there is some improvement on +the GNU/Linux compilation :-) + +Just checkout the source files, read the INSTALL file and follow the +instructions, it should be enougth ... i hope :o) + +There is still a lot of things to do or/and improve. + +That's the first time that i'm playing around with automake / autoconf so +you migth find (and you will) some ugly things. Be nice with us ... any +suggestion will be welcome :-) + + +Have fun and a nice week-end ... + + +The Nevrax team. + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000060.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#54">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#54">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#54">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#54">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000055.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000055.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4274065b --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000055.html @@ -0,0 +1,54 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] error in CVS?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:stefan.nilsen%40telia.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000063.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000056.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] error in CVS?</H1> + <B>Stefan Nilsen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:stefan.nilsen%40telia.com" + TITLE="[Nel] error in CVS?">stefan.nilsen@telia.com</A><BR> + <I>Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:18:06 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000063.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#55">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#55">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#55">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#55">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I get this error when updating the files from the CVS repository. It looks +lika a damaged CVS repository. + +cvs [server aborted]: unable to parse +/home/cvsroot/code/nel/src/net/base_socket.cpp,v; `state' not in the expected +place + +</pre> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000063.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#55">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#55">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#55">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#55">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000056.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000056.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..ea4c3e9d --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000056.html @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] error in CVS?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:valignat%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000055.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000057.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] error in CVS?</H1> + <B>Cedric Valignat</B> + <A HREF="mailto:valignat%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] error in CVS?">valignat@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:16:05 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000055.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000057.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#56">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#56">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#56">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#56">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Stefan Nilsen wrote: +><i> I get this error when updating the files from the CVS repository. It looks +</I>><i> lika a damaged CVS repository. +</I>><i> [...] +</I> +Ouch ... sorry. + +It's fixed. + + +</pre> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000055.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000057.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#56">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#56">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#56">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#56">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000057.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000057.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..d4a2708f --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000057.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000056.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000062.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</H1> + <B>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</B> + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr" + TITLE="[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A><BR> + <I>28 Nov 2000 11:04:18 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000062.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#57">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#57">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#57">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#57">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi all nelers, + +Issue: + + With the current connfigure.in, the freetype availability test use cc + rather than c++ to make the test, resulting in test failure due to + unset include path. + +Solution: + + Use c++ as the default compiler for TRY_COMPILE macros. + +Path: + +--- configure.in.old Tue Nov 28 10:22:18 2000 ++++ configure.in Tue Nov 28 10:50:10 2000 +@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ + dnl Checks for programs. + + AC_PROG_MAKE_SET ++AC_LANG_CPLUSPLUS + + AC_PROG_CC + AC_PROG_CXX + + +Comment: + + With this patch, configures works properly. And compilation worked + until my quota was full. ;) + + +Best regards, +d. +-- + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre@irisa.fr">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A> -- <A HREF="http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/">http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/</A> + Opinions expressed here are only mine. + +</pre> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000062.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#57">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#57">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#57">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#57">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000058.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000058.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..54cc9a00 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000058.html @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] CVS checkin by email</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000062.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000059.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] CVS checkin by email</H1> + <B>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</B> + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr" + TITLE="[Nel] CVS checkin by email">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A><BR> + <I>28 Nov 2000 11:05:27 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000062.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#58">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#58">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#58">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#58">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi all, + +Is there any way to bi informed by email of each new CVS checkin ? + +Best regards, +d. +-- + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre@irisa.fr">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A> -- <A HREF="http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/">http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/</A> + Opinions expressed here are only mine. + +</pre> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000062.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#58">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#58">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#58">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#58">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000059.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000059.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7bc405b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000059.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] CVS checkin by email</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000058.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000064.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] CVS checkin by email</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] CVS checkin by email">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:50:58 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000058.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#59">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#59">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#59">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#59">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>According to David Mentré: +><i> Hi all, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is there any way to bi informed by email of each new CVS checkin ? +</I> +Well, if you want to be spammed continuously, that might be possible. +I'll put something in the crontab to notify you every day :) + +Realistically, since you get full access to the development CVS tree, +there is something done about every day in one part or another of the +library. We do not have anything like the cvsup of FreeBSD so that you +automatically would fetch the latest version everytime, but you can +set a cron job if you like to to a cvs update every day around 23:00 +GMT. That's when we do a full resynchronise of the various CVS mirrors +(in practice, the sync starts at 22:00 GMT, but you never know how long +rsync will take across the 3 machines involved). + +We will post announces when there is something relatively major commited +(like the day you'll get your first pictures, or like we did when the + compilation stuff on Linux boxes started working). Usually, we also do +a manual resync at that time. + +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000058.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#59">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#59">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#59">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#59">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000060.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000060.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..668fe9b8 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000060.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000054.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000061.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</H1> + <B>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</B> + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr" + TITLE="[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A><BR> + <I>28 Nov 2000 12:35:20 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000061.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#60">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#60">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#60">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#60">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Valignat Cedric <<A HREF="mailto:valignat@nevrax.com">valignat@nevrax.com</A>> writes: + +><i> Just checkout the source files, read the INSTALL file and follow the +</I>><i> instructions, it should be enougth ... i hope :o) +</I> +Yes. I can confirm it compiles on a fairly standard Debian 2.2 x86 +machine. + +><i> There is still a lot of things to do or/and improve. +</I> +Yes. Like a configure for the client and the server to start playing +with some executable. Right now, I don't know what to do with the 63 +megs of nel library. :) + +BTW, maybe should the configure script be in the code/ directory in +order to setup nel, the client and the server? + +d. +-- + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre@irisa.fr">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A> -- <A HREF="http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/">http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/</A> + Opinions expressed here are only mine. + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000061.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#60">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#60">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#60">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#60">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000061.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000061.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..40a9555f --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000061.html @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000060.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000063.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:29:03 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000060.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000063.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#61">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#61">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#61">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#61">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>According to David Mentré: +><i> BTW, maybe should the configure script be in the code/ directory in +</I>><i> order to setup nel, the client and the server? +</I> +Well, yes and no. We'd like to keep the three (or at least two, NeL plus +the client/server) separate or semi-separate entities, so that you can +entirely replace client and server while keeping NeL. + +At some time, there will probably be an overall configure script, but that +one will merely check the various parts, then call the 3 sub-directories +configures with its what it just found. + +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. 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I can confirm it compiles on a fairly standard Debian 2.2 x86 +</I>><i> machine. +</I> +Cool ... :-) + +><i> Yes. Like a configure for the client and the server to start playing +</I>><i> with some executable. Right now, I don't know what to do with the 63 +</I>><i> megs of nel library. :) +</I> +hehe :-) + +At the moment, there is nothing really usable for the client, and the +GNU/linux OpenGL driver has to be written ... + +For the server part, we have few things running and the GNU/Linux configure +setup will be done soon ... + +So be patient ... :-) + + +Bye. + + +</pre> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000061.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000055.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#63">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#63">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#63">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#63">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000064.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000064.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7a4937d5 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000064.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] pointers on documentation?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000059.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000065.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] pointers on documentation?</H1> + <B>David Mentre</B> + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr" + TITLE="[Nel] pointers on documentation?">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A><BR> + <I>29 Nov 2000 12:55:21 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#64">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#64">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#64">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#64">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi all, + +I've looked very briefly at source code. As I'm newbie to 3D and games +areas, I've been unable to understand concepts as "Traversers", or what +is exactly a Model, a Scene, etc. + +Has somebody a good pointer on some basic documentation (URL, book, +paper) that details those concepts found in 3D and distributed games? + +For the nel guys, is there any "Global Architecture Overview" paper +planned? I know about the white paper, but I would be more interested in +how you see the architecture in place. For example, it would be nice to +read a paper describing a typical interaction: "you setup object like +this, with this server and this client; when game starts, at each time +step, the client send this info to the server; to model a scene, you +need at least this and that...". It needs not to be very precise, but +fill the gap between the white papers and the source code. + +Of course, I would understand that such a paper would not be on top +priority list. ;) + +Maybe when some usable server/client will be released on Linux platform, +we could write an architecture description paper. + + +d. +-- + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre@irisa.fr">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A> -- <A HREF="http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/">http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/</A> + Opinions expressed here are only mine. + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#64">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#64">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#64">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#64">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000065.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000065.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6ab4ca99 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000065.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:cblt%40cblt.org"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000064.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000066.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</H1> + <B>Nicolas Hognon</B> + <A HREF="mailto:cblt%40cblt.org" + TITLE="[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?">cblt@cblt.org</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:16:32 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#65">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#65">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#65">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#65">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Has somebody a good pointer on some basic documentation (URL, book, +</I>><i> paper) that details those concepts found in 3D and distributed games? +</I>><i> +</I> +you can look at this book : 3D Game Engine Design +by David H. Eberly +or at this website : <A HREF="http://www.flipcode.com/">http://www.flipcode.com/</A> + +><i> For the nel guys, is there any "Global Architecture Overview" paper +</I>><i> planned? I know about the white paper, but I would be more interested in +</I>><i> how you see the architecture in place. For example, it would be nice to +</I>><i> read a paper describing a typical interaction: "you setup object like +</I>><i> this, with this server and this client; when game starts, at each time +</I>><i> step, the client send this info to the server; to model a scene, you +</I>><i> need at least this and that...". It needs not to be very precise, but +</I>><i> fill the gap between the white papers and the source code. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course, I would understand that such a paper would not be on top +</I>><i> priority list. ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe when some usable server/client will be released on Linux platform, +</I>><i> we could write an architecture description paper. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> d. +</I> + + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#65">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#65">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#65">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#65">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000066.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000066.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a96a180c --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000066.html @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Distributed server algo</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:david.belius%40chello.se"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000065.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000069.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Distributed server algo</H1> + <B>david.belius@chello.se</B> + <A HREF="mailto:david.belius%40chello.se" + TITLE="[Nel] Distributed server algo">david.belius@chello.se</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:38:54 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#66">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#66">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#66">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#66">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, +i was wondering how you will code the distributed server. +What algo will you be using? +Will each server handle a specific cube in object space? + +I would also like to know how general the engine will be. +Will it be a _MMORPG_ engine or just a MMOG engine, so that it is +possible to make a MMORTS or something with the same engine? + +Regards, +David + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#66">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#66">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#66">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#66">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000067.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000067.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0bc5e9a7 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000067.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] pointers on documentation?</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:corvazier%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000073.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000068.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] pointers on documentation?</H1> + <B>Cyril Corvazier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:corvazier%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] pointers on documentation?">corvazier@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:02:21 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000068.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#67">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#67">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#67">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#67">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi David, + +We have started a kind of "NeL Programmer Guide". You can acces it from +<A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/docs/doxygen/nel/pages.html">http://www.nevrax.org/docs/doxygen/nel/pages.html</A> We have some topics there, +but nothing about MOT (Model Observer Traversal) yet. The guide grow up with +the +code so stay tuned! + +For information, MOT is inspired by Java 3d architecture. + +Bye. + +Cyril Corvazier + +----- Original Message ----- +From: "David Mentre" <<A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre@irisa.fr">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A>> +To: <<A HREF="mailto:nel@nevrax.org">nel@nevrax.org</A>> +Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:55 PM +Subject: [Nel] pointers on documentation? + + +><i> Hi all, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've looked very briefly at source code. As I'm newbie to 3D and games +</I>><i> areas, I've been unable to understand concepts as "Traversers", or what +</I>><i> is exactly a Model, a Scene, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Has somebody a good pointer on some basic documentation (URL, book, +</I>><i> paper) that details those concepts found in 3D and distributed games? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the nel guys, is there any "Global Architecture Overview" paper +</I>><i> planned? I know about the white paper, but I would be more interested in +</I>><i> how you see the architecture in place. For example, it would be nice to +</I>><i> read a paper describing a typical interaction: "you setup object like +</I>><i> this, with this server and this client; when game starts, at each time +</I>><i> step, the client send this info to the server; to model a scene, you +</I>><i> need at least this and that...". It needs not to be very precise, but +</I>><i> fill the gap between the white papers and the source code. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course, I would understand that such a paper would not be on top +</I>><i> priority list. ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe when some usable server/client will be released on Linux platform, +</I>><i> we could write an architecture description paper. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> d. +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre@irisa.fr">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A> -- <A HREF="http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/">http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/</A> +</I>><i> Opinions expressed here are only mine. +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Nel mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="mailto:Nel@nevrax.org">Nel@nevrax.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel</A> +</I> + +</pre> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000068.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#67">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#67">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#67">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#67">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000068.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000068.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..eb760e7f --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000068.html @@ -0,0 +1,481 @@ +<HTML>
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+<script Language="JavaScript" src="http://sqbase.cts.com.tw/ad_server/adbase.asp?c=1&b=1&f=0&i=5&h=10">
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diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000069.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000069.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..f253987d --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000069.html @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Status question</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:x5101920%40fedro.ugr.es"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000066.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000074.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Status question</H1> + <B>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</B> + <A HREF="mailto:x5101920%40fedro.ugr.es" + TITLE="[Nel] Status question">x5101920@fedro.ugr.es</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 29 Nov 2000 20:18:42 +0100 (MET)</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#69">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#69">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#69">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#69">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +I am reading some of the emails publishing, and because of my prior +experience in MMORPG, I would like to know in what stage is the +overall project? + +Planning? Alpha? Beta? + +I have browse the CVS and is something running? + + +Regards, +Miguel + +BTW Have you ever though about reusing other GPL projects source? + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#69">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#69">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#69">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#69">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000070.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000070.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..eefd05c0 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000070.html @@ -0,0 +1,52 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Distributed server algo</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:stefan.nilsen%40telia.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000074.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000071.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Distributed server algo</H1> + <B>Stefan Nilsen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:stefan.nilsen%40telia.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Distributed server algo">stefan.nilsen@telia.com</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:02:52 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#70">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#70">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#70">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#70">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 29 November 2000 15:38, <A HREF="mailto:david.belius@chello.se">david.belius@chello.se</A> wrote: +><i> I would also like to know how general the engine will be. +</I>><i> Will it be a _MMORPG_ engine or just a MMOG engine, so that it is +</I>><i> possible to make a MMORTS or something with the same engine? +</I> +WDMMORTSM? (What does MMORTS mean?) + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#70">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#70">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#70">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#70">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000071.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000071.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e37aa386 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000071.html @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Distributed server algo</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:cblt%40cblt.org"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000070.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000072.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Distributed server algo</H1> + <B>Nicolas Hognon</B> + <A HREF="mailto:cblt%40cblt.org" + TITLE="[Nel] Distributed server algo">cblt@cblt.org</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:10:24 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#71">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#71">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#71">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#71">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>massively multiplayer online real time strategy +(game like stracraft but massively online) + +><i> +</I>><i> WDMMORTSM? (What does MMORTS mean?) +</I> + + +-- +Nicolas Hognon +home : <A HREF="mailto:cblt@cblt.org">cblt@cblt.org</A> / www.cblt.org +work : <A HREF="mailto:nicolash@virtools.com">nicolash@virtools.com</A> / www.virtools.com +#ICQ : 36044443 + +Enjoy the silence +(DM) + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#71">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#71">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#71">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#71">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000072.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000072.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..58f6cc0a --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000072.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Distributed server algo</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:thierry%40mallard.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000071.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000073.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Distributed server algo</H1> + <B>Thierry Mallard</B> + <A HREF="mailto:thierry%40mallard.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Distributed server algo">thierry@mallard.com</A><BR> + <I>Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:50:38 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#72">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#72">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#72">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#72">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>--Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 03:38:54PM +0100, <A HREF="mailto:david.belius@chello.se">david.belius@chello.se</A> wrote: +><i> Hi, +</I>><i> i was wondering how you will code the distributed server. +</I>><i> What algo will you be using? +</I> +Dunno if it could be related, but the word =AB distributed =BB made me flas= +h ;-) +I'm now trying to implement a STAGE server (see projet Worldforge[1]), with +the help of Mickael Remond, using Erlang[2], a functionnal language which d= +oes +has nice features about distribution. Maybe that could be worth a look, +although I'm still not sure an interpreted language is really usable for +something like NeL or STAGE...=20 + + Best regards, + + Shaman + +[1] <A HREF="http://www.worldforge.org">http://www.worldforge.org</A> +[2] <A HREF="http://www.erlang.org">http://www.erlang.org</A> =20 + <A HREF="http://www.erlang-fr.org">http://www.erlang-fr.org</A> (under construction) + +--=20 +Thierry Mallard | =20 +GnuPG key on wwwkeys.pgp.net | +key 0xA3D021CB | +<A HREF="http://thierry.mallard.com">http://thierry.mallard.com</A> | =20 + +--Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature +Content-Disposition: inline + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Pour information voir <A HREF="http://www.gnupg.org">http://www.gnupg.org</A> + +iEYEARECAAYFAjoliD4ACgkQGBtCB6PQIcsTzQCgz1RuIUyK+vJsab7904ivRkqz +TsUAnRtzTz+qdhL90GIDITtRT8cAMZ8m +=AUVC +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- + + +</pre> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#72">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#72">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#72">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#72">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000073.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000073.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3f993b80 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000073.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000072.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000067.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</H1> + <B>David Mentre</B> + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre%40irisa.fr" + TITLE="[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A><BR> + <I>30 Nov 2000 08:59:54 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000067.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#73">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#73">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#73">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#73">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Thierry Mallard <<A HREF="mailto:thierry@mallard.com">thierry@mallard.com</A>> writes: + +><i> I'm now trying to implement a STAGE server (see projet Worldforge[1]), +</I>><i> with the help of Mickael Remond, using Erlang[2], a functionnal +</I>><i> language which does has nice features about distribution. +</I> +You could also have a look at Objective Caml[1]. It is a functionnal +language (ML style with type inference for those interested) but with +modules and object oriented capabilities. It has not pre-build +distributed facilities but toolkits have been built on it, like +Ensemble[2]. + +On Erlang, one thing to notice is that reliability is in charge of the +programmer. But maybe your are involved in some other projects using +Erlang. ;) + +><i> Maybe that could be worth a look, although I'm still not sure an +</I>><i> interpreted language is really usable for something like NeL or +</I>><i> STAGE... +</I> +OCaml can be compiled in both bytecode and native code for about any +platform (from ARM to Alpha through x86 [2b]). And people have made +hacks to dynamically load bytecode and native code into +programs[3]. Also notice that bytecode is portable across platforms. + +Sorry if it is a bit of topic, but I could not resist for this blatant +advertising. ;) And maybe NeL will have more that just Python support... + +Best regards, +d. + +[1] <A HREF="http://caml.inria.fr/">http://caml.inria.fr/</A> +[2] <A HREF="http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Projects/Ensemble/index.html">http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Projects/Ensemble/index.html</A> +[2b] <A HREF="http://caml.inria.fr/ocaml/portability.html">http://caml.inria.fr/ocaml/portability.html</A> +[3] <A HREF="http://caml.inria.fr/archives/200011/msg00180.html">http://caml.inria.fr/archives/200011/msg00180.html</A> +-- + <A HREF="mailto:David.Mentre@irisa.fr">David.Mentre@irisa.fr</A> -- <A HREF="http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/">http://www.irisa.fr/prive/dmentre/</A> + Opinions expressed here are only mine. + +</pre> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000067.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#73">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#73">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#73">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#73">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000074.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000074.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..68f89776 --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/000074.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Nel] Status question</TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000069.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000070.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Nel] Status question</H1> + <B>Vincent Archer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:archer%40nevrax.com" + TITLE="[Nel] Status question">archer@nevrax.com</A><BR> + <I>Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:19:13 +0100</I> + <P><UL> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#74">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#74">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#74">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#74">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>According to MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN: +><i> I am reading some of the emails publishing, and because of my prior +</I>><i> experience in MMORPG, I would like to know in what stage is the +</I>><i> overall project? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Planning? Alpha? Beta? +</I> +None of the above? :) + +The game itself is somewhere between planning and alpha. We are approaching +the date of our first internal prototype, but we know what the game itself +is about, how it will play (in terms of game), and how we are structuring +the NeL platform and how it is used to develop the real game. + +><i> I have browse the CVS and is something running? +</I> +Depend on what you call running. You do not have a 3D scene and interface +available yet, for example, but you have several services for the building +of the server part. + +-- +Vincent Archer Email: <A HREF="mailto:archer@nevrax.com">archer@nevrax.com</A> + +Nevrax France. Off on the yellow brick road we go! + +</pre> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI> Previous message: <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A></li> + <LI> Next message: <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#74">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#74">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#74">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#74">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> +</body></html> diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/author.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/author.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a42fa7fb --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Nel 2000-November Archive by Author</title> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>2000-November Archives by Author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Nov 8 19:19:05 2000</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Nov 30 09:19:13 2000</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 73<p> + <ul> + +<LI> <A HREF="000057.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="57"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000058.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="58"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000060.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="60"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000004.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A> <A NAME="4"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000008.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="8"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000009.html">[Nel] List settings changes</A> <A NAME="9"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="39"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000040.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="40"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="44"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="49"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="51"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="59"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000061.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="61"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="74"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="5"></A><I>Yan Babilliot</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="50"></A><I>Roy Bryant</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="53"></A><I>Olivier Cado</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="10"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000028.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="28"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="54"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000062.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="62"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000063.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="63"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000067.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="67"></A><I>Cyril Corvazier</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="37"></A><I>Dan Ellis</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000006.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="6"></A><I>Cary Farrier</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000011.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="11"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="15"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="16"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000003.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="3"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="65"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="71"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="69"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000031.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="31"></A><I>Ludovic LIEVRE</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000013.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="13"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000023.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="23"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000026.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="26"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="43"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="48"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000012.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="12"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000017.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="17"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000021.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="21"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000014.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="14"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="38"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="45"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="72"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="64"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000068.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="68"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A> <A NAME="73"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000007.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="7"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000019.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="19"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000020.html">[Nel] Some Linux patches</A> <A NAME="20"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000055.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="55"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="70"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000032.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="32"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="47"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="18"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000022.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="22"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000025.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="25"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="41"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000024.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="24"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000027.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="27"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000035.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="35"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="36"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="42"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="52"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="56"></A><I>Cedric Valignat</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000002.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A> <A NAME="2"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000029.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="29"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000030.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="30"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000033.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="33"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000034.html">[Nel] Flexibility (oops)</A> <A NAME="34"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="66"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="46"></A><I>Tom wright</I> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Nov 30 09:19:13 2000</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Nov 30 10:16:00 2000</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.05 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/date.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/date.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..3514789e --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Nel 2000-November Archive by Date</title> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>2000-November Archives by Date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Nov 8 19:19:05 2000</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Nov 30 09:19:13 2000</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 73<p> + <ul> + +<LI> <A HREF="000002.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A> <A NAME="2"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000003.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="3"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000004.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A> <A NAME="4"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="5"></A><I>Yan Babilliot</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000006.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="6"></A><I>Cary Farrier</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000007.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="7"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000008.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="8"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000009.html">[Nel] List settings changes</A> <A NAME="9"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="10"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000011.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="11"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000012.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="12"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000014.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="14"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000013.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="13"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="15"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="16"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000017.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="17"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="18"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000019.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="19"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000020.html">[Nel] Some Linux patches</A> <A NAME="20"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000021.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="21"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000022.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="22"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000023.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="23"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000024.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="24"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000025.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="25"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000026.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="26"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000027.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="27"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000028.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="28"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000029.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="29"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000030.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="30"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000031.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="31"></A><I>Ludovic LIEVRE</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000032.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="32"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000033.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="33"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000034.html">[Nel] Flexibility (oops)</A> <A NAME="34"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000035.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="35"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="36"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="37"></A><I>Dan Ellis</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="38"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="39"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000040.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="40"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="41"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="42"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="43"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="44"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="45"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="46"></A><I>Tom wright</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="47"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="48"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="49"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="51"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="50"></A><I>Roy Bryant</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="52"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="53"></A><I>Olivier Cado</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="54"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000055.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="55"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="56"></A><I>Cedric Valignat</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000057.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="57"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000058.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="58"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="59"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000060.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="60"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000061.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="61"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000062.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="62"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000063.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="63"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="64"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="65"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="66"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000067.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="67"></A><I>Cyril Corvazier</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000068.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="68"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="69"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="70"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="71"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="72"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A> <A NAME="73"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="74"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Nov 30 09:19:13 2000</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Nov 30 10:16:00 2000</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.05 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/index.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/index.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..02ee5bff --- /dev/null +++ b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/index.html @@ -0,0 +1,251 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD 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problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="913"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<!--0 00973777600- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="915"></A><I>Yan Babilliot</I> +<!--0 00973792221- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000006.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="916"></A><I>Cary Farrier</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973792221-00973841567- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000008.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="918"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973792221-00973841567-00973848143- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000011.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="921"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<UL> +<!--3 00973792221-00973841567-00973848143-00973849428- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000013.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="923"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<!--3 00973792221-00973841567-00973848143-00973849428-00973852988- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="925"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00973795438- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000007.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="917"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973795438-00973847372- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="920"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973795438-00973847372-00973976137- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000019.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="929"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00973842097- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000009.html">[Nel] List settings changes</A> <A NAME="919"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--0 00973848571- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000012.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="922"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973848571-00973849176- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000014.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="924"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973848571-00973849176-00973893828- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="926"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<!--2 00973848571-00973849176-00973948689- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000017.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="927"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00973973901- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="928"></A><I>Sal</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973973901-00974033910- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000021.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="931"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973973901-00974033910-00974039696- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000022.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="932"></A><I>Sal</I> +</UL> +<!--1 00973973901-00974111869- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000023.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="933"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000025.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="935"></A><I>Sal</I> +<UL> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000026.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="936"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000027.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="937"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974223796- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000035.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="945"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974226849- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="946"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974226849-00974227921- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="947"></A><I>Dan Ellis</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974226849-00974276426- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="948"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974226849-00974276426-00974302047- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="949"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974448722- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="952"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974448722-00974464059- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="954"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974214308- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000030.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="940"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00974030662- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000020.html">[Nel] Some Linux patches</A> <A NAME="930"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<!--0 00974138730- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000024.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="934"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974138730-00974213485- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000028.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="938"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00974213998- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000029.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="939"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974213998-00974214649- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000031.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="941"></A><I>Ludovic LIEVRE</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00974213998-00974214649-00974216002- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000032.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="942"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<!--2 00974213998-00974214649-00974219209- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000033.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="943"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<!--2 00974213998-00974214649-00974219354- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000034.html">[Nel] Flexibility (oops)</A> <A NAME="944"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00974383936- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000040.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="950"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974383936-00974392329- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="951"></A><I>Sal</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00974383936-00974392329-00974451370- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="953"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<UL> +<!--3 00974383936-00974392329-00974451370-00974532183- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="955"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<!--3 00974383936-00974392329-00974451370-00974532183-00974732615- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="959"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00974639651- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="956"></A><I>Tom wright</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974639651-00974707193- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="957"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<!--1 00974639651-00974707960- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="958"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<!--1 00974639651-00974905952- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="962"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00974639651-00974905952-00974969674- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="963"></A><I>Olivier Cado</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00974808577- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="960"></A><I>Roy Bryant</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974808577-00974805520- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="961"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00975089975- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="964"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975089975-00975407720- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000060.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="970"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00975089975-00975407720-00975410943- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000061.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="971"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--2 00975089975-00975407720-00975420178- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000063.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="973"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00975097086- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000055.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="965"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975097086-00975111365- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="966"></A><I>Cedric Valignat</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00975402258- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000057.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="967"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975402258-00975418805- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000062.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="972"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00975402327- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000058.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="968"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975402327-00975405058- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="969"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00975495321- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="974"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975495321-00975496592- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="975"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="976"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<UL> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975521922- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="979"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975521922-00975572353- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="984"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975528172- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="980"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975528172-00975528624- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="981"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975534638- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="982"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975534638-00975567594- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A> <A NAME="983"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 00975495321-00975506541- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000067.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="977"></A><I>Cyril Corvazier</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00975495321-00975506541-00975507213- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000068.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="978"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Nov 30 09:19:13 2000</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Nov 30 10:16:00 2000</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.05 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/pipermail/nel/2000-November/subject.html b/pipermail/nel/2000-November/subject.html new file mode 100644 index 00000000..7d9ce067 --- /dev/null +++ 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HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="51"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="50"></A><I>Roy Bryant</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000058.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="58"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="59"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="66"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="70"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="71"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="72"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000055.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="55"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="56"></A><I>Cedric Valignat</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000029.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="29"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000031.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="31"></A><I>Ludovic LIEVRE</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000032.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="32"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000033.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="33"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000034.html">[Nel] Flexibility (oops)</A> <A NAME="34"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="54"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000060.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="60"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000061.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="61"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000063.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="63"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="18"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000021.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="21"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000022.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="22"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000023.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="23"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000025.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="25"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000007.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="7"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="10"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000019.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="19"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000024.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="24"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000028.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="28"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000009.html">[Nel] List settings changes</A> <A NAME="9"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000006.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="6"></A><I>Cary Farrier</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000008.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="8"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000011.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="11"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000013.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="13"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="15"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000026.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="26"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000027.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="27"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000030.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="30"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000035.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="35"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000040.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="40"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="41"></A><I>Sal</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="43"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="45"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="49"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="64"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000067.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="67"></A><I>Cyril Corvazier</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000068.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="68"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000003.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="3"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="5"></A><I>Yan Babilliot</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="42"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="44"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="46"></A><I>Tom wright</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="47"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="48"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000020.html">[Nel] Some Linux patches</A> <A NAME="20"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="52"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="53"></A><I>Olivier Cado</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="36"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="37"></A><I>Dan Ellis</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="38"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="39"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="69"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="74"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000002.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A> <A NAME="2"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000004.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A> <A NAME="4"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000012.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="12"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000014.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="14"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="16"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000017.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="17"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="65"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<LI> <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A> <A NAME="73"></A><I>David Mentre</I> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Nov 30 09:19:13 2000</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Nov 30 10:16:00 2000</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ 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<i>Wed Nov 8 19:19:05 2000</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Nov 30 09:19:13 2000</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 73<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 00973707545- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000002.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A> <A NAME="912"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973707545-00973761399- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000004.html">[Nel] What kind of game are you making?</A> <A NAME="914"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00973708927- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000003.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="913"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<!--0 00973777600- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000005.html">[Nel] problem about the bug report interface</A> <A NAME="915"></A><I>Yan Babilliot</I> +<!--0 00973792221- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000006.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="916"></A><I>Cary Farrier</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973792221-00973841567- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000008.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="918"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973792221-00973841567-00973848143- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000011.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="921"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<UL> +<!--3 00973792221-00973841567-00973848143-00973849428- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000013.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="923"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<!--3 00973792221-00973841567-00973848143-00973849428-00973852988- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000015.html">[Nel] matrix.cpp std::min/max problems?</A> <A NAME="925"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00973795438- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000007.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="917"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973795438-00973847372- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000010.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="920"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973795438-00973847372-00973976137- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000019.html">[Nel] How do i compile this beast? Empty FAQ...</A> <A NAME="929"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00973842097- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000009.html">[Nel] List settings changes</A> <A NAME="919"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--0 00973848571- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000012.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="922"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973848571-00973849176- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000014.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="924"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973848571-00973849176-00973893828- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000016.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="926"></A><I>Bryce Harrington</I> +<!--2 00973848571-00973849176-00973948689- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000017.html">[Nel] WorldForge</A> <A NAME="927"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00973973901- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000018.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="928"></A><I>Sal</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00973973901-00974033910- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000021.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="931"></A><I>Olivier Lejade</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973973901-00974033910-00974039696- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000022.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="932"></A><I>Sal</I> +</UL> +<!--1 00973973901-00974111869- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000023.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="933"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000025.html">[Nel] Greetings! And some questions / comments</A> <A NAME="935"></A><I>Sal</I> +<UL> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000026.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="936"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000027.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="937"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974223796- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000035.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="945"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974226849- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000036.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="946"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974226849-00974227921- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000037.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="947"></A><I>Dan Ellis</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974226849-00974276426- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000038.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="948"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974226849-00974276426-00974302047- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000039.html">[Nel] Some thoughts about NeL</A> <A NAME="949"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974448722- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000042.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="952"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974194591-00974448722-00974464059- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000044.html">[Nel] Problems ?</A> <A NAME="954"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--3 00973973901-00974111869-00974148001-00974189499-00974214308- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000030.html">[Nel] my last email :)</A> <A NAME="940"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00974030662- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000020.html">[Nel] Some Linux patches</A> <A NAME="930"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<!--0 00974138730- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000024.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="934"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974138730-00974213485- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000028.html">[Nel] Linux build</A> <A NAME="938"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00974213998- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000029.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="939"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974213998-00974214649- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000031.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="941"></A><I>Ludovic LIEVRE</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00974213998-00974214649-00974216002- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000032.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="942"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<!--2 00974213998-00974214649-00974219209- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000033.html">[Nel] Flexibility</A> <A NAME="943"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<!--2 00974213998-00974214649-00974219354- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000034.html">[Nel] Flexibility (oops)</A> <A NAME="944"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00974383936- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000040.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="950"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974383936-00974392329- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000041.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="951"></A><I>Sal</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00974383936-00974392329-00974451370- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000043.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="953"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<UL> +<!--3 00974383936-00974392329-00974451370-00974532183- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000045.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="955"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<!--3 00974383936-00974392329-00974451370-00974532183-00974732615- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000049.html">[Nel] Ok, some food for your toughts</A> <A NAME="959"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00974639651- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000046.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="956"></A><I>Tom wright</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974639651-00974707193- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000047.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="957"></A><I>sameh chafik Pro</I> +<!--1 00974639651-00974707960- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000048.html">[Nel] Release Schedule and some questions ?</A> <A NAME="958"></A><I>Vianney Lecroart</I> +<!--1 00974639651-00974905952- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000052.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="962"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00974639651-00974905952-00974969674- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000053.html">[Nel] Some questions about network implementation</A> <A NAME="963"></A><I>Olivier Cado</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00974808577- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000050.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="960"></A><I>Roy Bryant</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00974808577-00974805520- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000051.html">[Nel] Broken link in www.nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="961"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00975089975- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000054.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="964"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975089975-00975407720- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000060.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="970"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00975089975-00975407720-00975410943- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000061.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="971"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--2 00975089975-00975407720-00975420178- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000063.html">[Nel] GNU/Linux compilation</A> <A NAME="973"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 00975097086- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000055.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="965"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975097086-00975111365- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000056.html">[Nel] error in CVS?</A> <A NAME="966"></A><I>Cedric Valignat</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00975402258- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000057.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="967"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975402258-00975418805- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000062.html">[Nel] [patch] configure issue on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="972"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00975402327- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000058.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="968"></A><I>David =?iso-8859-1?q?Mentr=E9?=</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975402327-00975405058- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000059.html">[Nel] CVS checkin by email</A> <A NAME="969"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +</UL> +<!--0 00975495321- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000064.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="974"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +<UL> +<!--1 00975495321-00975496592- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000065.html">[NOISE] Re: [Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="975"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000066.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="976"></A><I>david.belius@chello.se</I> +<UL> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975521922- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000069.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="979"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975521922-00975572353- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000074.html">[Nel] Status question</A> <A NAME="984"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975528172- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000070.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="980"></A><I>Stefan Nilsen</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975528172-00975528624- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000071.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="981"></A><I>Nicolas Hognon</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975534638- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000072.html">[Nel] Distributed server algo</A> <A NAME="982"></A><I>Thierry Mallard</I> +<!--3 00975495321-00975496592-00975505134-00975534638-00975567594- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000073.html">[offtopic] distributed scripting language (was: Re: [Nel] Distributed server algo)</A> <A NAME="983"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 00975495321-00975506541- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000067.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="977"></A><I>Cyril Corvazier</I> +<UL> +<!--2 00975495321-00975506541-00975507213- --> +<LI> <A HREF="000068.html">[Nel] pointers on documentation?</A> <A NAME="978"></A><I>David Mentre</I> +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Nov 30 09:19:13 2000</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Nov 30 10:16:00 2000</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="http://www.nevrax.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/nel">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.05 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |