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+ <B>Valignat Cedric</B>
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+ <I>Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:09:23 +0100</I>
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+<PRE>Hello everybody,
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+At least it comes, you should be able to get something to compile and running
+under GNU/Linux platforms ...
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+Checkout the INSTALL file, it will show you the path to follow :-)
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+Cedric.
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+ <B>Jean-Noel Moyne</B>
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+ <I>Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:53:09 +0100</I>
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+<PRE>Just had a look at your site and your project because my brother is
+going to work with you guys (as a graphic artist). I see that you have
+need for fast reliable real-time asynchronous (and probably one to many)
+network transport for your messaging. That need being for server to
+server communication, not server to client.
+
+You should have a look at PGM, which is an open reliable multicast
+protocol designed by Cisco and TIBCO (the company I work for), which is
+design to solve just this kind of problems in the most efficient way.
+
+While TIBCO makes a complete messaging system that will use PGM and that
+is a commercial product, we are also releasing an Open Source version of
+the PGM protocol stack (which is probably all you need, and all you
+would want to use, being an Open Source project yourself).
+
+As a suggestion from a network professional with a lot of experience
+designing large scale scalable real time oriented distributed systems,
+you should take a look at it.
+
+<A HREF="http://pgm.tibco.com/">http://pgm.tibco.com/</A>
+
+ JNM
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+ <B>Dim Segebart</B>
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+ <I>Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:39:18 +0100</I>
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+<PRE>Hello !
+Just one question.
+
+&gt;<i>From <A HREF="http://pgm.tibco.com/draft-speakman-pgm-spec-04.txt">http://pgm.tibco.com/draft-speakman-pgm-spec-04.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PGM runs over a datagram multicast protocol such as IP multicast [5].
+</I>
+AFAIK, many ISP's ban multicast traffic and many users'll be unable to use
+software based on it.
+Am I wrong or missing something ?
+TIA
+
+--
+Dim
+
+
+Jean-Noel Moyne wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Just had a look at your site and your project because my brother is
+</I>&gt;<i> going to work with you guys (as a graphic artist). I see that you have
+</I>&gt;<i> need for fast reliable real-time asynchronous (and probably one to many)
+</I>&gt;<i> network transport for your messaging. That need being for server to
+</I>&gt;<i> server communication, not server to client.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should have a look at PGM, which is an open reliable multicast
+</I>&gt;<i> protocol designed by Cisco and TIBCO (the company I work for), which is
+</I>&gt;<i> design to solve just this kind of problems in the most efficient way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While TIBCO makes a complete messaging system that will use PGM and that
+</I>&gt;<i> is a commercial product, we are also releasing an Open Source version of
+</I>&gt;<i> the PGM protocol stack (which is probably all you need, and all you
+</I>&gt;<i> would want to use, being an Open Source project yourself).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a suggestion from a network professional with a lot of experience
+</I>&gt;<i> designing large scale scalable real time oriented distributed systems,
+</I>&gt;<i> you should take a look at it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pgm.tibco.com/">http://pgm.tibco.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> JNM
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+ <B>Vincent Archer</B>
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+ <I>Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:08:20 +0100</I>
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+<PRE>According to Jean-Noel Moyne:
+&gt;<i> You should have a look at PGM, which is an open reliable multicast
+</I>&gt;<i> protocol designed by Cisco and TIBCO (the company I work for), which is
+</I>&gt;<i> design to solve just this kind of problems in the most efficient way.
+</I>
+Hmmm, about everyone around started talking about, then dismissing it
+as unsuited to our needs, but that's chiefly due to one misunderstanding.
+
+At first we didn't see the &quot;server to server&quot; sentence.
+
+We still don't know how well multicasting can be useful in our server
+architecture, because so far, we have very few one-to-many messages
+across servers. Most services discuss with a specific target on a specific
+service.
+
+However, we still have lots of discussion for the &quot;world service&quot;,
+i.e. the service which &quot;simulates&quot; the world and run the various objects
+and NPC agents. That one might be a candidate for a multicast protocol,
+since we can expect replication of objects across multiple world services.
+
+This tie in with another question which I didn't had time to reply to,
+regarding how to &quot;split&quot; the world across the multiple world services.
+If the split is done by geography (the UO model), then there is little
+need of a PGM-based protocol, because most objects will be accessed by
+2 world services (edges), or at most 3 (T-intersections). However, if the
+split is done instead by reference (i.e. we cluster an agent with the
+agents that refer to it more often), then we have a higher redundancy
+of agents on servers, and a multicast is probably the best method to
+send message to these agents.
+
+--
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+
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+ <I>Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:11:10 +0100</I>
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+<PRE>According to Dim Segebart:
+&gt;<i> Hello !
+</I>&gt;<i> Just one question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;From <A HREF="http://pgm.tibco.com/draft-speakman-pgm-spec-04.txt">http://pgm.tibco.com/draft-speakman-pgm-spec-04.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; PGM runs over a datagram multicast protocol such as IP multicast [5].
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK, many ISP's ban multicast traffic and many users'll be unable to use
+</I>&gt;<i> software based on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Am I wrong or missing something ?
+</I>&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>
+And Jean-Noel Moyne said:
+&gt;<i> network transport for your messaging. That need being for server to
+</I>&gt;<i> server communication, not server to client.
+</I>
+Note &quot;server to server&quot;. What Jean-Noel was suggesting was not a protocol
+to communicate with the clients, but a protocol to communicate between
+the various servers that constitute a world cluster.
+
+Since these clusters will be located in a single facility, on a dedicated
+switch, the issue of IP filtering do not apply :)
+
+--
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+ <B>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> At first we didn't see the &quot;server to server&quot; sentence.
+</I>
+Ok, I have a dummy question, but when it is better to have multicast
+to a server delivering the messages to the rest of servers?
+
+How portable/compatible is mulitcast technology?
+
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+ <I>Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:37:00 +0100</I>
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+<PRE>According to MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN:
+&gt;<i> &gt; At first we didn't see the &quot;server to server&quot; sentence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I have a dummy question, but when it is better to have multicast
+</I>&gt;<i> to a server delivering the messages to the rest of servers?
+</I>
+Quite simple: When you need to send the same message to more than one
+server. As soon as you need to send a message to multiple servers,
+you will tie up bandwidth and CPU resending the same message over and over
+to each server.
+
+Consider the following model. Each agent (which represent an object, NPC,
+PC, the door, the lamp, whatever entity in your world) is represented
+typically by an object in a &quot;world service process&quot;. Once your world
+becomes large, you need multiple processes. What happens when an agent
+want to &quot;talk&quot; to another agent on a different process. The agent, in an
+ideal (and OO) world, merely talks to an object located in its process
+space, said object being either the recipient agent itself, or merely a
+replica, which will forward the message across the network to the real
+agent.
+
+You don't need multicast for that: its straight 1-to-1.
+
+However, what if the message is &quot;what is your current XYZ&quot;. That's a fairly
+frequent question. If you need to query across the network, you'll quickly
+end up loading the net, just to find the value three variables.
+
+That's where PGM/multicast intervenes. In that model, the agent, when he
+changes some of his variables, notifies the replica that &quot;XYZ are now...&quot;.
+I spoke about how the world services organise where an agent resides. In
+some models, you have about one, maybe two replicas, which you can notify
+using a standard TCP stream. Or RDP. But, if you want a load-balancing
+system, you quickly end up with a replica of an object in most world
+service processes. It becomes then more efficient to multicast the updates
+as above to all processes, and update them all in one sweep.
+
+&gt;<i> How portable/compatible is mulitcast technology?
+</I>
+Multicast is working, right now. However, to work across separate networks,
+it requires specific support from IP routers, and resources, which most
+providers aren't willing to dedicate (multi-network multicast is mostly
+used for video/audio &quot;broadcasts&quot;, video conferencing or shows).
+
+As for PGM, well, the current library has lots of empty directories and
+&quot;TODO&quot; notes in comments, so it's clearly a work in progress :)
+
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+ <B>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> That's where PGM/multicast intervenes. In that model, the agent,
+</I>when he
+&gt;<i> changes some of his variables, notifies the replica that &quot;XYZ are
+</I>now...&quot;.
+&gt;<i> I spoke about how the world services organise where an agent
+</I>resides. In
+&gt;<i> some models, you have about one, maybe two replicas, which you can
+</I>notify
+&gt;<i> using a standard TCP stream. Or RDP. But, if you want a
+</I>load-balancing
+&gt;<i> system, you quickly end up with a replica of an object in most world
+</I>&gt;<i> service processes. It becomes then more efficient to multicast the
+</I>updates
+&gt;<i> as above to all processes, and update them all in one sweep.
+</I>
+Ok, I always have though of load balancing as load-work division
+between servers.
+
+I think that the above kind of working can have several inconsistences
+, just take a look to some distributed Mutual exclusion algos.
+
+Just imagine that both copies of a object multicast different
+positions, you have to choose what is the best one, and whatever your
+choose is, it will be wrong, and servers can't be wrong.
+
+Replycating work can be a real pain.
+And for what you have said multicast isn't a solution for end-users.
+
+I think that IPv6 will fix these things, by having a multicast in the
+standart, isn't it?
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+<PRE>According to MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN:
+&gt;<i> Just imagine that both copies of a object multicast different
+</I>&gt;<i> positions, you have to choose what is the best one, and whatever your
+</I>&gt;<i> choose is, it will be wrong, and servers can't be wrong.
+</I>
+Ahem, no. I might have used object and agent in various contexts, but
+an agent is the only one which is authorised to change its state. The
+other objects are &quot;replica&quot;, or passive objects. Each agent may exist
+only as a single copy over the set of processes, and he is the entity
+responsible for updating the local states of the replica objects in
+the other processes.
+
+If you want &quot;what is your XYZ&quot;, the local replica answers. However, if
+you want &quot;teleport to XYZ&quot;, the message is transmitted across the network
+to the unique agent, which updates its internal state, and then retransmits
+to all replicas &quot;set internal state XYZ&quot;. And the latter is when multicast
+helps when there are many replicas to update.
+
+&gt;<i> Replycating work can be a real pain.
+</I>
+Hey, if I could buy a terahertz processor and have everything run on a
+single process, I'd be happy too :)
+
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Ahem, no. I might have used object and agent in various contexts,
+</I>but
+&gt;<i> an agent is the only one which is authorised to change its state.
+</I>The
+&gt;<i> other objects are &quot;replica&quot;, or passive objects. Each agent may
+</I>exist
+&gt;<i> only as a single copy over the set of processes, and he is the
+</I>entity
+&gt;<i> responsible for updating the local states of the replica objects in
+</I>&gt;<i> the other processes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want &quot;what is your XYZ&quot;, the local replica answers. However,
+</I>if
+&gt;<i> you want &quot;teleport to XYZ&quot;, the message is transmitted across the
+</I>network
+&gt;<i> to the unique agent, which updates its internal state, and then
+</I>retransmits
+&gt;<i> to all replicas &quot;set internal state XYZ&quot;. And the latter is when
+</I>multicast
+&gt;<i> helps when there are many replicas to update.
+</I>
+Ok, as far as I am thinking about agents, a replica only show info but
+can't process code. So all the modificators should be send to the
+main agent, that then update.
+
+There is still the possibility of an object to get two contradictory
+updates at the same time. To avoid this you should order the messages,
+something that I feel is unefficient and ugly.
+
+Just image agent is a ball, and then two user decide to kick the two
+replica of the agent, so the replicas get the kick commnand and send
+it to the agent.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Replycating work can be a real pain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey, if I could buy a terahertz processor and have everything run on
+</I>a
+&gt;<i> single process, I'd be happy too :)
+</I>
+If you need a terahertz processor to run the server, you better start
+again the design stage.
+
+Just I want to note that replycanting the work can lead to ugly
+things and race conditions.
+
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+<A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/bugs/reports.cgi">http://www.nevrax.org/bugs/reports.cgi</A>
+Software error:
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+
+For help, please send mail to the webmaster (<A HREF="mailto:webmaster@nevrax.org">webmaster@nevrax.org</A>),
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+&gt;<i> There are two bugs at nevrax.org:
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> ... while talking to www.nevrax.org.:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 550 5.1.1 &lt;<A HREF="mailto:webmaster@nevrax.org">webmaster@nevrax.org</A>&gt;... User unknown
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+Hrrrmmm? There's a comment in front of the alias (can't figure out why.
+My name's there, but it got commented out).
+
+&gt;<i> 2. the bug system is no longer working at the time of this email:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.nevrax.org/bugs/reports.cgi">http://www.nevrax.org/bugs/reports.cgi</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Software error:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't connect to database server. at globals.pl line 40.
+</I>
+No error messages, and the sql server went down. I'll keep an eye on it
+for today.
+
+Please note that the Nevrax offices are closed during the Christmas-New Year
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+response to any problem or question you may raise.
+
+Happy holiday season all, and see you next century!
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+<LI> <A HREF="000080.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="80"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I>
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+<LI> <A HREF="000077.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="77"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000078.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="78"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000079.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="79"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000080.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="80"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000081.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="81"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000082.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="82"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000083.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="83"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000084.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="84"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I>
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+<LI> <A HREF="000086.html">[Nel] Bugs on nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="86"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
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+<LI> <A HREF="000079.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="989"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
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+<!--1 00976261989-00976612100- -->
+<LI> <A HREF="000078.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="988"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
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+<LI> <A HREF="000081.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="991"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
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+<LI> <A HREF="000083.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="993"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
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+<LI> <A HREF="000086.html">[Nel] Bugs on nevrax.org</A> <A NAME="86"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000075.html">[Nel] Server on GNU/Linux</A> <A NAME="75"></A><I>Valignat Cedric</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000076.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="76"></A><I>Jean-Noel Moyne</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000077.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="77"></A><I>Dim Segebart</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000078.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="78"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000079.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="79"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000080.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="80"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000081.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="81"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000082.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="82"></A><I>MIGUEL ANGEL BLANCH LARDIN</I>
+<LI> <A HREF="000083.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="83"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
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+<LI> <A HREF="000079.html">[Nel] Suggestion for the NeL network library / architecture</A> <A NAME="989"></A><I>Vincent Archer</I>
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+<!--1 00976261989-00976612100- -->
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